pigini nova

[JerryPH]

It's not surprising, China has the greatest number of accordionists in the world, but it is a little surprising that they are standardizing on the B-system. That's a good indication of the future because demand usually drives the industry. I am happy to see Free Bass being mentioned too. Using only the Stradella on a Nova is like driving a Ferrari only in first gear... yes it is fast, yes it sounds good, but there are 5 more gears to use!

 

[debra]

Is yours piano or bayan? Why is the price of bayan that I know is much cheaper? Does pigini give you a protector for your chin? I saw it in the new bugari

Prices of accordions vary a lot, not so much on the country but on how much profit each dealer tries to make on each sale.
As far as I know the Belgian price for Nova is a reasonable price. But I'm not surprised that other dealers try to get 40.000 for a Nova.
I cannot imagine paying these numbers for an accordion, no matter how good it is.
But I am glad to hear that the time between ordering and delivery has been under one year. There have been times where two years was not exceptional with Pigini. But it varies a lot on what you order.

 

[bapi]

It's not surprising, China has the greatest number of accordionists in the world, but it is a little surprising that they are standardizing on the B-system. That's a good indication of the future because demand usually drives the industry. I am happy to see Free Bass being mentioned too. Using only the Stradella on a Nova is like driving a Ferrari only in first gear... yes it is fast, yes it sounds good, but there are 5 more gears to use!

Yes, I think the level of accordionists in China is very high, the degree of specialization of the students is also very high, and free bass is becoming more and more popular, which is a very good phenomenon

 

[bapi]

Prices of accordions vary a lot, not so much on the country but on how much profit each dealer tries to make on each sale.
As far as I know the Belgian price for Nova is a reasonable price. But I'm not surprised that other dealers try to get 40.000 for a Nova.
I cannot imagine paying these numbers for an accordion, no matter how good it is.
But I am glad to hear that the time between ordering and delivery has been under one year. There have been times where two years was not exceptional with Pigini. But it varies a lot on what you order.

Yes, I buy from distributors in China, which can reduce my waiting time, because they order a certain amount of nova from pigini in advance every year, and provide them to those who need them, and the price is not the highest. However, many people commented that the nova from the Chinese dealer is of lower quality than the nova that other people buy from Italy, I don't understand why

 

[debra]

Yes, I buy from distributors in China, which can reduce my waiting time, because they order a certain amount of nova from pigini in advance every year, and provide them to those who need them, and the price is not the highest. However, many people commented that the nova from the Chinese dealer is of lower quality than the nova that other people buy from Italy, I don't understand why

When you order a button accordion (whether Pigini or Bugari or another brand) with convertor and chin switches there are a number of choices to make, like tuning and chin registers and button colors and markings (as well as markings in the melody bass)... so I do not understand the "they order a certain amount of nova from pigini in advance every year". The customer first has to make the available choices and then an order can go out and they can start building the accordion. All higher end accordions are made to order, and not made to create an inventory of accordions that are ready. For instance, when I ordered a Pigini bass accordion (the Basson C39) I specified the tuning (440Hz which is not what Pigini does by default) and the sequence of the chin registers. They could not possibly have already made this accordion before I ordered it, so they start building it when it is ordered. What they can make beforehand are the wooden right hand and left hand sides and the reed blocks, but the rest of the construction has to wait until the desired specifications are known.

 

[bapi]

When you order a button accordion (whether Pigini or Bugari or another brand) with convertor and chin switches there are a number of choices to make, like tuning and chin registers and button colors and markings (as well as markings in the melody bass)... so I do not understand the "they order a certain amount of nova from pigini in advance every year". The customer first has to make the available choices and then an order can go out and they can start building the accordion. All higher end accordions are made to order, and not made to create an inventory of accordions that are ready. For instance, when I ordered a Pigini bass accordion (the Basson C39) I specified the tuning (440Hz which is not what Pigini does by default) and the sequence of the chin registers. They could not possibly have already made this accordion before I ordered it, so they start building it when it is ordered. What they can make beforehand are the wooden right hand and left hand sides and the reed blocks, but the rest of the construction has to wait until the desired specifications are known.

But the fact is true, the result is that these people who buy get used to the order of the jaw changer, instead of choosing a suitable order for them, including the color of the buttons, the right hand is only black and white, you cannot ask a Chinese dealer for a full Nova with black or all white buttons. The markings are also fixed on the do and fa of the right hand

 

[debra]

But the fact is true, the result is that these people who buy get used to the order of the jaw changer, instead of choosing a suitable order for them, including the color of the buttons, the right hand is only black and white, you cannot ask a Chinese dealer for a full Nova with black or all white buttons. The markings are also fixed on the do and fa of the right hand

Right, so the distributor makes choices for the player, choices the player may regret. And the sad part is that these choices can all be made by the player by not ordering an accordion already "in stock" but by specifying the accordion "still to be manufactured". If you cannot choose the configuration, walk away from this distributor/dealer and order direct, with your own specifications.
Your message is the first I have seen of Nova accordions not being made for a specific player. The care that goes into these instruments is too high to consider them an "off the shelf" item. I know of people who went to the factory to collect their instrument, spending a few days there to get them to make everything just right for them. With such a high end item that's important.

 

[bapi]

Right, so the distributor makes choices for the player, choices the player may regret. And the sad part is that these choices can all be made by the player by not ordering an accordion already "in stock" but by specifying the accordion "still to be manufactured". If you cannot choose the configuration, walk away from this distributor/dealer and order direct, with your own specifications.
Your message is the first I have seen of Nova accordions not being made for a specific player. The care that goes into these instruments is too high to consider them an "off the shelf" item. I know of people who went to the factory to collect their instrument, spending a few days there to get them to make everything just right for them. With such a high end item that's important.

Yes, some students in China who buy nova have no right to speak and choose. It is entirely the teacher's idea and decision, and the parents only need to pay, so it has caused such a situation. I think it is a problem to customize according to their own ideas. Very important things, including me going to Italy to pick up the violin and staying in the factory for a few days

 

[Ventura]

ni hao XUHAOCHEN,

i am happy to read your postings, and it gives me a feeling that
you do have much personal freedom

i mention this because from what i have generally known and seen,
i am a little bit suprised the Goldentone and other top quality
products from Pearl River (the quality level which are not exported and are
reserved for Chinese artists and dedicated students) that you are not
pressured to choose these over Western instruments ?

( i am remembering the accordions played by the Chinese Ensembles
and entrants into western events such as the Coupe Mondiale and their
"sponsors" and chaperones too)

i am also pleased to see that a Chinese student can even dream of
having/spending this much money on anything, and that you can
also speak about a trip to Italy for an accordion without having to
also talk about how many permissions you would have to ask
for first (which makes me think it is not so hard as i once imagined)

so i am glad to hear of China from you, and hope to hear more..
while on the World Stage our governments have much argument
i hope you know there are more Chinese people living here in the
Unitesd States that anywhere else in the world, for generations, and
that they are a part of our everyday life, food, culture, art, friendships.

best wishes on your musical journey

zhù nĭ hăoyùn!

 

[JerryPH]

i hope you know there are more Chinese people living here in the
Unitesd States that anywhere else in the world

Actually, the largest Chinese population outside of China is in Thailand.

Even here in Quebec, the French part of Canada, I've seen the Asian influx. My own street where 20 years ago there were no Asians at all, and today, myself and ONE other house are the only people on this street that are not Chinese. We have Chinese leaders and representatives in the town municipality.

The Chinese as a people have been spreading out all over the world, and like many people, I am one of those that certainly doesn't mind. The Asians here are strong, hard working and decent. They follow local laws and traditions yet never give up on their own heritage. They are also the world's largest number of accordion players, and that isn't a bad thing!

 

[Tom]

I’m curious how we know that there are more Chinese accordionists than in any other country. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I say the more the merrier and I’m glad the wonderful Chinese people are embracing our beloved instrument! Did someone count them? Is there an “accordionists by country” ranking somewhere on the inter web? Does it include all the Tex mex, Cajun/zydeco and polka people playing their button boxes?

 

[JerryPH]

Google it.

Accordion History in China

A brief history of the accordion in China

www.accordions.com

The above article says there are more accordionists in China than the entire world combined!

And there is an article out there that back in 1993, I believe, that there was a census and there were over 600,000 REGISTERED people that played the accordion in China. I'll see if I can find that link.

 

[dunlustin]

A message to XUHAOCHEN.
I am finding your contributions really interesting. They are giving a fresh glimpse of life in your country.
Here in the West, experiences of China are often coloured by political agendas, stereotypes and opinion based on few or no facts.
It is interesting to read about your musical ambitions and how you can access what you need to pursue them.
(Please do not be disappointed if some people find your experiences hard to imagine.)
It interests me that your country has a serious approach to the accordion and the importance of young people accessing musical education.
For many in the West, access to music for young people is more and more difficult. Also attitudes to accordion playing and its music are too often seen as a source of amusement.
I hope we continue to hear of your musical life and your development.

 

[bapi]

ni hao XUHAOCHEN,

i am happy to read your postings, and it gives me a feeling that
you do have much personal freedom

i mention this because from what i have generally known and seen,
i am a little bit suprised the Goldentone and other top quality
products from Pearl River (the quality level which are not exported and are
reserved for Chinese artists and dedicated students) that you are not
pressured to choose these over Western instruments ?

( i am remembering the accordions played by the Chinese Ensembles
and entrants into western events such as the Coupe Mondiale and their
"sponsors" and chaperones too)

i am also pleased to see that a Chinese student can even dream of
having/spending this much money on anything, and that you can
also speak about a trip to Italy for an accordion without having to
also talk about how many permissions you would have to ask
for first (which makes me think it is not so hard as i once imagined)

so i am glad to hear of China from you, and hope to hear more..
while on the World Stage our governments have much argument
i hope you know there are more Chinese people living here in the
Unitesd States that anywhere else in the world, for generations, and
that they are a part of our everyday life, food, culture, art, friendships.

best wishes on your musical journey

zhù nĭ hăoyùn!

I am very happy to receive your blessing, and I am also very glad that I have a good family environment that can support me on the road of accordion learning without worrying about financial troubles. You know, in China I can get good value for money instruments, but not the best western instruments, which can only be done in Europe. good luck and happy life

 

[bapi]

Google it.

Accordion History in China

A brief history of the accordion in China

www.accordions.com

The above article says there are more accordionists in China than the entire world combined!

And there is an article out there that back in 1993, I believe, that there was a census and there were over 600,000 REGISTERED people that played the accordion in China. I'll see if I can find that link.

As far as I know, there are now two million people learning the accordion, and the domestic accordion competitions in China can gather 10,000 people at one time, but we cannot ask everyone to play well

 

[petch]

I’m curious how we know that there are more Chinese accordionists than in any other country. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, I say the more the merrier and I’m glad the wonderful Chinese people are embracing our beloved instrument! Did someone count them? Is there an “accordionists by country” ranking somewhere on the inter web? Does it include all the Tex mex, Cajun/zydeco and polka people playing their button boxes?

I know Bugari sell as many accordions in China as they do all other countries combined, and given China's population and the fact it's somewhat of a popular instrument there it's a safe assumption!

 

[bapi]

A message to XUHAOCHEN.
I am finding your contributions really interesting. They are giving a fresh glimpse of life in your country.
Here in the West, experiences of China are often coloured by political agendas, stereotypes and opinion based on few or no facts.
It is interesting to read about your musical ambitions and how you can access what you need to pursue them.
(Please do not be disappointed if some people find your experiences hard to imagine.)
It interests me that your country has a serious approach to the accordion and the importance of young people accessing musical education.
For many in the West, access to music for young people is more and more difficult. Also attitudes to accordion playing and its music are too often seen as a source of amusement.
I hope we continue to hear of your musical life and your development.

In China, it is difficult for me to understand the explanation about pigini nova, including video pictures. By chance I googled and found this forum, and I was pleasantly surprised that so many friends from different countries could communicate with me about the accordion. I personally think that Chinese accordion players have a high technical level, but because most of the pieces are not Chinese instruments, they are not so perfect in terms of musicality and understanding of music. It may be a good choice to study in Europe for a period of time, and most of the accordionists who have developed well in China also do this. I don’t know what it is like in your country, but in China, learning an ideal musical instrument from an excellent teacher is not cheap. I have a lesson with my teacher, which costs 2,000 RMB and only takes 45 minutes. My classmate is a soprano, she learns bel canto from the teacher, and can even spend 6,000 RMB for a lesson

 

[JerryPH]

As far as I know, there are now two million people learning the accordion, and the domestic accordion competitions in China can gather 10,000 people at one time, but we cannot ask everyone to play well

Wow. Good for the accordion!

 

[Tom]

Ok, I will accept it as common knowledge. How about per capita? How about own, or study versus “play”? For example, “everyone” here in the US “plays guitar”…. Not trying to stir up controversy here, it’s just interesting.

 

[bapi]

Ok, I will accept it as common knowledge. How about per capita? How about own, or study versus “play”? For example, “everyone” here in the US “plays guitar”…. Not trying to stir up controversy here, it’s just interesting.

At least it can be seen that free bass is becoming more and more popular, which is a good sign, but I haven't investigated it specifically