Liberty bellows prices, honest? Fair?

[Ventura]

Dammit

i am no fan of Lib Bellows

and i have made allowances in the past since you are young

but Jamie.. Damn.. you are an adult now.. what is this shit posting here-say
that is slanderous about someone ? what the hell ? you really do not know better ?

abusive treatment ? say what ?

it is unacceptable to parrot crap like that.. haven't you ever paid attention
to Judge Judy "you can't tell me what someone said" that's not proof

slander is slander.. you posted a personal attack that you personally
have no proof to back up

comment about what YOU have seen, done, personally experienced,
and stifle the urge to speculate or i am done with you

ciao

Ventura

 

[Dingo40]

Ventura is right : those comments are defamatory and actionable at law.
Unfortunately the forum is also exposed to action.
Knobby, best remove the whole thread asap!

 

[Jaime_Dergut]

but Jamie.. Damn.. you are an adult now.. what is this shit posting here-say
that is slanderous about someone ? what the hell ? you really do not know better ?

abusive treatment ? say what ?

it is unacceptable to parrot crap like that.. haven't you ever paid attention
to Judge Judy "you can't tell me what someone said" that's not proof

I had no idea we were under trial here! As a costumer, I am satisfied with Libertybellows.

slander is slander.. you posted a personal attack that you personally
have no proof to back up

comment about what YOU have seen, done, personally experienced,
and stifle the urge to speculate or i am done with you

ciao

Ventura

Hardly would see it as a personal attack. Here in Detroit is common to talk about how the automobile industry owners treat its workers with abusive working hours and treatment. That's no secret or taboo.

I don't see how this will be different here, but oh well.

Liberty bellows is the best workplace in the world!

How much I wish I was working there!

 

[Dingo40]

Jamie, listen to advice and delete your last two posts.

 

[John M]

Dammit

i am no fan of Lib Bellows

and i have made allowances in the past since you are young

but Jamie.. Damn.. you are an adult now.. what is this shit posting here-say
that is slanderous about someone ? what the hell ? you really do not know better ?

abusive treatment ? say what ?

it is unacceptable to parrot crap like that.. haven't you ever paid attention
to Judge Judy "you can't tell me what someone said" that's not proof

slander is slander.. you posted a personal attack that you personally
have no proof to back up

comment about what YOU have seen, done, personally experienced,
and stifle the urge to speculate or i am done with you

ciao

Ventura

I have not been into the detail of all the posts of this topic. However, I have been very satisfied with Mike at Liberty Bellows.

Realize that Liberty Bellows does a lot of business and has a lot of sales transactions. Mike is only human and I'm sure he makes a "mistake" once in a while.

I worked at NASA for 41 years, starting out in Rocket Systems Division in the '60's. I went through many projects. The big question -- is it 100% ready? Absolutely not. We are only human and subject to error--we're at 99.5%, there has to be some "RISK" involved in anything you do. If no risk, then no gain. If you do nothing on any endeavor, then you will have a 0% failure rate--and nothing achieved.

 

[Big Squeezy Accordions]

This is coming from the same person who recently posted a series of obscenely racist remarks about the Roma people. He seems to be motivated by some combination of ignorance and insecurity. Nothing this guy says should be granted the slightest credibility or attention.

 

[ColoRodney]

It's weird. I haven't been here long, and I have apparently already blocked this guy. Don't remember why, but I don't usually do that casually.

 

[Thomas N]

I've been here around a decade and I don't recognize his username. Probably 30 years of Internet Forum usage has enabled some kind of internal filter that just moves on to the next post.

 

[knobby]

Ok folks, this is getting a little out of hand and needs to calm down. Maybe time to get back to the original topic or move on.
Thanks

 

[Jaime_Dergut]

Go to Accordion Craft Academy or intern at World of Accordions. Actually learn some stuff and apply. If you know what you’re doing, and know how to work, you’ll be fine. This is not tik tok or magaland. There are adults here who get things done. Be kind.

Hey Tom, I am seeing if I can go to a World of Accordions master class this year.

Dr. Helmi Harringtonsaid that she has my spot reserved, we'll see. It is hard to get a hold of her on the phone these days.

 

[Jaime_Dergut]

This is coming from the same person who recently posted a series of obscenely racist remarks about the Roma people. He seems to be motivated by some combination of ignorance and insecurity. Nothing this guy says should be granted the slightest credibility or attention.

I have a proposal. Why don't you become my friend instead?!

I see you have a nice test bellow in your profile. I am trying to build one myself. Maybe I can do a brief trip to New Orleans and become your pupil!

 

[Jaime_Dergut]

It's weird. I haven't been here long, and I have apparently already blocked this guy. Don't remember why, but I don't usually do that casually.

I've been here around a decade and I don't recognize his username. Probably 30 years of Internet Forum usage has enabled some kind of internal filter that just moves on to the next post.

I am Jaime, happiest man alive, and your friendly neighbor!

I agree with our dear moderator Knobby, however, let's stick to the topic.

One more thing about Liberty bellows pricing... yes, we live in a capitalist system and often fairness or honesty does not come along with profit.

However, I am more than happy to say that I've been patience enough and found 2 used accordions for the price of 80$! LB would have sold those accordions, (after being properly refurbished, of course) for around 400$ and 500$. Is a nice win for me as a costumer.

But of course, I know some things about accordions already, so I knew what I was looking for. Most beginners, who are often LB customers, don't really know any better.

 

[Zevy]

Hey Tom, I am seeing if I can go to a World of Accordions master class this year.

Dr. Helmi Harringtonsaid that she has my spot reserved, we'll see. It is hard to get a hold of her on the phone these days.

I would do that if I had the time!

 

[OuijaBoard]

I know that Liberty Bellows has a policy of including either a case or a gig bag in the price. I'm guessing a lot of people choose the gig bag, especially for a small box that fits on your back so easily compared to lugging a hard case. It would make sense that for every buyer who chooses a gig bag, they've got a leftover hard case to sell separately. I don't see anything nefarious. At the moment, the empty cases they show on their site range from $4.99 to $99, so they're not asking too much for them.

The instrument price was $3300. For a 26-key LMM acccordion. There was zero disclosure that the case made for the accordion would not come with it. To find to my surprise that the case apparently was split off and sold separately has not been my experience with any other purchase of a new Italian accordion that had a case.

Input was solicited about experience, I gave my input. There has been some ad hominem content on this thread that is not my cup of tea. But there's also been some "Defenders of the Faith" content as well.

 

[Vladimir M.]

Memento mori. Memento vivere.

Yes, and for discussions of this type, I would allow myself heretical editing of the text:

"Blessed are those who first think and then write, and who pray before they think, for they will avoid foolishness."


I wish everyone a beautiful day.

Best regards, Vladimir

 

[Jaime_Dergut]

Yes, and for discussions of this type, I would allow myself heretical editing of the text:

"Blessed are those who first think and then write, and who pray before they think, for they will avoid foolishness."


I wish everyone a beautiful day.

Best regards, Vladimir

Aw, I feel like someone brought up my name here!

I just like to speak up my mind, and sometimes people get easily offended.

But I believe is better to make that mistake rather than being afraid, all the time, of speaking out!

I also wish you a great day, Vladimir, and god bless your soul!

Sincerely,

Jaime.

 

[dak]

Aw, I feel like someone brought up my name here!

I just like to speak up my mind, and sometimes people get easily offended.

But I believe is better to make that mistake rather than being afraid, all the time, of speaking out!

It depends on the size of the audience how problematic learning by mistakes ends up. As musicians we might be accustomed to the concept of sorting out our mistakes in private and only going public once we have taken care of most of the problems. Sometimes separating the process of writing a reply and pressing the send button, possibly even by sleeping over it, achieves the purpose of having put to words what one wants to say and recognize without even getting an audience involved. Partly it's what in the old days diaries were for, or letters not getting sent but collected.

 

[Scuromondo]

As with purchasing a previously owned car, it is definitely less expensive to buy a used accordion directly from the owner rather than from a dealer. But if it is a reputable dealer (and LB definitely is) they offer a great deal of value that, for many buyers, may be worth the added cost. To begin with, they absorb most of the risk associated with the condition of the instrument; if you buy from an individual, especially online, you take on that risk yourself. But also, they back up the sale with a warranty and they provide maintenance and repair services you will likely need at some point. When you buy online you might get the lowest price but, as they say, “all sales are final” and no returns or exchanges are available.

Several years ago I bought a used accordion from LB and, one week later, I returned it for a full refund. So my firsthand experience is that they are knowledgeable and trustworthy. Similarly, over the years I purchased two used accordions from John Castiglione, also a highly respected dealer, and I found that his prices were considerably lower than LB’s. Who knows why exactly?—maybe the overhead of doing business in Philadelphia is higher than in Detroit, or maybe LB just wants/needs a higher margin to grow their business. In any case, Castiglione is no longer in business, and LB is!

 

[Ventura]

Castiglione is no longer in business, and LB is!

oh my

apples and oranges

Castiglione was a multi-generational Family business with Scandalli
and Excelsior among their premier long-term dealerships.. their impact
on the USA market was immense and reached into every corner..
without John, the market retail price of professional acordions over many decades
would have been un-affordable for many

no longer in business due to death

there can be no inference or comparison really with Lib

apples and oranges

 

[Scuromondo]

Given that the initial topic was limited to the trustworthiness and price to the consumer of a particular dealership, and not the heritage or historical impact of it, I still consider the comparison to be a valid one.

But what do I know?— I’ve always thought that the metaphor about “comparing apples and oranges” was a bit flawed given that, in the most literal sense, one can indeed make good and reasonable comparisons between apples and oranges!