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Bluestar reeds

I actually inquired with VA about becoming a dealer in North America but I’d have to be doing some serious business and ordering a large number of reeds annually for that to work. I repair and rebuild accordions but don’t build, so it doesn’t make sense for me to do that at the moment.
interesting

on one hand, obviously Petosa has a direct relationship with VA,
so for them NOT to be a "dealer" jobber of the reeds themselves
says something.. they are certainly the main proponent of BlueStar

are they selling so few accordions with BlueStar that they are not
even close to the per-year volume needed for a full VA dealership ?

just considering the inquiries here from people in the market for reeds
and that someone in North America providing them would instantly have
the equivalent of a continent-wide "yellow pages" worth of free advertizing..
well, you would obviously soon be the go-to guy and at the least have a shot
at everyone that WAS in the market

but that might not be enough, sadly.. though if you offered all the commonly needed
tools and materials for reedwork as well and invested in a solid but simple
website ordering platform it might be worth it/profitable

since VA protects it's authorized dealers/network if you agreed to give
Petosa "dealer pricing forever" in return for them to purchase exclusively through
you then the yearly volume you would need might be within reach ?
the carrot for Petosa would be that they could lighten their in house inventory
costs as you would be able to provide more or less "just in time" style
inventory management to them
 
if the edge all the way around the reed is blue, then
howinnahell did they "re-temper" the steel without
screwing up the hold of the rivet or the aluminum reedplate ?

because once the reed was punched out/cut from the sheet
of steel, it would not be blue along the sides/edges
I don't know how they are made, but I would guess they have a way of doing the initial rough tuning before riveting the reeds to the plates. For a given reed size and pitch, they must have learned how to precisely remove just the right amount of material from the reed tongues so they come out almost in-tune after the re-temper and plate riveting. This is probably something that would only be possible with modern technology.
 
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This youtube video goes in depth how Bluestar compares to A Mano with charts showing the difference is sound pressure needed to make them vibrate etc, it’s in Finnish but you can skip ahead and view the scientific data.
 
interesting

on one hand, obviously Petosa has a direct relationship with VA,
so for them NOT to be a "dealer" jobber of the reeds themselves
says something.. they are certainly the main proponent of BlueStar

...
I'm not sure I follow. Afaik Petosa does not build accordions. Zero Sette (part of Armando Bugari) builds Petosa accordions. So the bulk of the VA reeds that go into Petosa accordions are not bought from VA by Petosa but by Bugari/Zero-Sette.
 
hello Paul,

referencing the webpage:

"petosa is pleased to be in partnership with Voci Armoniche to bring this pioneering concept to market - now available in select petosa models."

this is part of a larger pagefull strongly promoting the Bluestar reed
and it's being integral to the continuing improvement/Future of the Petosa line

in the Americana line, bluestar is an option on some models as well,
(as previously reported by customer orders) and having no connection
to the Bugari/Zero factory

referencing Bugariarmando website
they have only one listed, authorized dealer in the USA (Emilio)
and they make no direct reference on their website to BlueStar reeds
that i could find at all

their vast product catalog seems to make no mention of Bluestar reeds
at all or offer them as an option

from what i can find, it does not seem ArmandoBugari has any special
relationship. mutual promotional association, or commitment to
Bluestar reeds, the company who makes them, or any future reliance
on them

it does appear Petosa, on the other hand, is directly aligned with
Bluestar reeds and the reedmaker

decades ago, top professional model Petosa accordions arrived from
ZeroSette bare-bones, and petosa finished them in Seattle.. specifically
that meant Keyboard regulation and Reed installation and tuning.. a tour
of the facility always included show and tell with raw reedsets from
the huge stock kept in the warehouse area and often some model
on the shopfloor in process of being finished and made ready for sale..
that was during the period where Zero still had their original factory
and no connection to Bugari

most if not all Pro models were pre-ordered, built, and finished to
the customers preference back then, and i would not be surprised
if they still are to this day

it has been forever since i personally visited or saw their operations,
but the current information available seems to suggest (to me) that
they still maintain direct control over many aspects of their accordions,
and their relationship with Bluestar is direct, not through Bugari.
if Bugari is installing the reeds prior to shipping a "petosa" to Seattle,
i am inclined to think it is at the specific direction of Petosa from exclusive stock
of Reeds contracted and acquired from a direct connection with the
reedmaker and provided to Bugari for the specific fulfillment
of Petosa contracting

hence my post, knowing what i know (knew) and assuming there are
at any given moment a large inventory of Bluestar reedsets
physically in the warehouse in Seattle and the very public
connection on the website committing the two companies
to a long term relationship of mutual benefit, and the specific
question being the amount of yearly business/inventory volume
required to "be" a Voci-Armoniche distributor and that surely
Petosa would qualify

so there are perhaps a few "why's" unanswered

but gee it's been a month since that subplot was discussed and i
had to go back and reference everything again to even get my
bearings.. chalk up another long-winded poorly punctuated post !

have you seen any handshaking between Bugari and Voci ?
or can Bugari source reeds from whomever they want without
it affecting their marketing ?
 
hello Paul,

referencing the webpage:

"petosa is pleased to be in partnership with Voci Armoniche to bring this pioneering concept to market - now available in select petosa models."

this is part of a larger pagefull strongly promoting the Bluestar reed
and it's being integral to the continuing improvement/Future of the Petosa line
...
Websites and advertising are notoriously unreliable.
The Bugari website and catalog make no mention of exactly which reeds are used in which models. I have seen different brands of reeds used in some seemingly identical accordions (of the same model). I know that the Champion Cassotto accordions tend to have Cagnoni reeds and Artist Cassotto accordions tend to have Artigiana reeds, but I have seen at least two other reed makes in Artist Cassotto accordions.
The Petosa statement "petosa is pleased to be in partnership with Voci Armoniche" may just be a careful phrasing of a message that they agreed with Voci Armoniche to supply Bugari/Zero Sette reeds to make the Petosa accordions. It may also mean Voci Armonica supplies Petosa with reeds to install in the accordions on site in America. Who knows...
Accordion makers in Castelfidardo are all struggling to find enough supply of reeds to build their accordions. It is possible that there is just a global shortage of new reeds being produced (versus the number of accordions being built). Accordion manufacturers are trying to get a "preference" status with reed makers, for instance by investing in them, as I believe Pigini did with Voci Armoniche. Such a preferred status might explain why others (like Bugari) have trouble getting more Voci Armoniche reeds for their top models... It'a always a delicate balance between not putting all your eggs in one basket (by using all reeds from one reed maker) and staying good friends with the different reed makers (by buying lots of reeds from each of them)...
And another thing that is happening is that new reeds made post-Covid appear to be less good than pre-Covid reeds. New accordions go out of tune faster than the older ones, and this is an observation made across different reed makers (and supposedly a well known with different accordion makers). There are more "trade secrets" in the business about different problem, like faulty supplies of felt+leather that happened about 10 years ago, or not quite so reliable convertor bass mechanisms that were supplied just over 15 years ago... When you buy an accordion new now it's anyone's guess which problems it has that the manufacturer knows about but "chooses" to ignore and not communicate about because the problem is with a supplier and there is little they can do about it...
 
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And another thing that is happening is that new reeds made post-Covid appear to be less good than pre-Covid reeds. New accordions go out of tune faster than the older ones, and this is an observation made across different reed makers
that seems an important observation, i had not considered it,
but yes a lot of people suddenly died during covid and if chance
removed a significant number of master reed-masters before natural
elevation of the apprentice class were ready, i can see where overall
quality and quantity could be impacted even before new limitations
of available Steel are considered

perhaps had Beltuna focused on a new system of reed-manufacture
instead of solenoids !

i can imagine taking a blank rectangle of Duraluminum, lazer
pre-cutting only the cross-cut near the rivet, then drilling
and riveting the steel over the blank, then and only then
lazer-cutting the sides and tip of the Reed tongue AND the
duraluminum plate together in one machine controlled operation

voila, voice the reed, tune it, done

not knowing any better, i reason that a perfectly cut
perfectly matched reed and embocure pair would be the
most efficient use of air therefore the quickest most
powerful sounding reed
 
perhaps had Beltuna focused on a new system of reed-manufacture
instead of solenoids !
Solenoids... Ah, the emperor's new clothes!

Which reminds me -
I saw a nice (older) Bugari Gold PA recently
with reeds stamped 'Taborro V.'
Even I've heard of them...
but when I checked online to find out more
All I could find was 'Tabarro', the Venetian cape fit for an emperor...

Pity Castelfidardo's accordion makers no longer cloak their reed blocks with the finest 'Taborro V.' reeds
I thought to myself.
 
Solenoids... Ah, the emperor's new clothes!

Which reminds me -
I saw a nice (older) Bugari Gold PA recently
with reeds stamped 'Taborro V.'
Even I've heard of them...
but when I checked online to find out more
All I could find was 'Tabarro', the Venetian cape fit for an emperor...

Pity Castelfidardo's accordion makers no longer cloak their reed blocks with the finest 'Taborro V.' reeds
I thought to myself.

My Durals will go mano a mano with your Taborros any day. Sig Dural is the best reed maker in Castelfi is what I heard.
 
...
Pity Castelfidardo's accordion makers no longer cloak their reed blocks with the finest 'Taborro V.' reeds
I thought to myself.
Alas Taborro is no more (and hasn't been for quite some time).
The reeds of older no longer existing reed makers were so good that whenever an accordion with such reeds (like Taborro V) goes in for service you have to double-check that when it comes back it still has these reeds. Old gems like Hohner Gola or Scandalli Super VI accordions from the 60s are known for having their reeds stolen during "maintenance"...
 
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