That is me! I love my Perle, have found no faults in it, and will not be playing any 'fancy expensive' accordions that make me aware of its limitations!
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That is me! I love my Perle, have found no faults in it, and will not be playing any 'fancy expensive' accordions that make me aware of its limitations!
Rest assured that a brief excursion is not going to do more than make you wonder what the price markup is supposed to be about. The impression will be "unfamiliar" rather than "better". To make yourself convinced of the special occasion, you might be trying to think of something praiseworthy, but that's more for the sake of not feeling awkward.That is me! I love my Perle, have found no faults in it, and will not be playing any 'fancy expensive' accordions that make me aware of its limitations!
It's when you have both for longer times that you'll find yourself somehow playing the more expensive thing more often eventually (assuming that there actually is a tangible reason for the price markup) and checking back with "old faithful" less and less frequently.
Changing instruments can be done a lot quicker than changing their player.
murathan
Was a Bassoonist
Advertisement pressure is very active in these days. That pressure doesnt come from companies but from the videos. There are sellers in Youtube too. You (we) see them in a high model playing very good, mostly above our capability. Then we see beginners have a bravo or perle. People associate these naturally.
An artist earns money, even a free instrument to use in a video, because you associate the man with the brand/ model. These are happening in subconsciousness. Then if you will make a purchase, you decide according to these pre-determined conditions.
Bravo or Perle are decent instruments. They are just thin. That effects the sound. Any product can be defective on purchase or have problems sometimes. These are natural on every product. If you paid 2000 dollars to a 50 years old instrument, thats your problem.
An artist earns money, even a free instrument to use in a video, because you associate the man with the brand/ model. These are happening in subconsciousness. Then if you will make a purchase, you decide according to these pre-determined conditions.
Bravo or Perle are decent instruments. They are just thin. That effects the sound. Any product can be defective on purchase or have problems sometimes. These are natural on every product. If you paid 2000 dollars to a 50 years old instrument, thats your problem.
It is my experience that sellers want to sell and will play all instruments convincingly. The markups and sales volumes for cheap (comparatively new, so no large overhaul) instruments tend to make them a good deal as well. It's more like what you see players without sales interest playing. And if they don't have promotion deals, their instrument models may well not be available on the new market (where is the point in changing instruments when you are good?). So they are more inadvertently advertising for brands rather than specific models.
Of course there is a lot of counterproductive action involved with hero adoration, like people buying "fitness drinks" with lots of sugar in them because that's what long-distance runners, rowers, bikers and other calory-heavy sport pursuers can turn into good use. And yes, that kind of following a lead may result in beginners starting out on instruments of silly size and weight for their beginner repertoire and for finding your way on a key- and/or buttonboard.
As an optimal learning instrument you'd want something comparatively small with excessively good reeds and sound. If at all, you can get something like that only on special order, and the resale value is pitiful from the start because people associate size and price (some manufacturers try to break that association with a fanciful exterior, like Saltarelle).
murathan
Was a Bassoonist
Another aspect is being forced to sell your instrument later because you already got over your budget. Thats more sad than not having a superior instrument. It happens in car industry often. I have a bravo and amica but they are mine forever.
I dont want to scare everybody but people all over the world are experiencing high rates of poverty and hunger. I watched videos from YouTube about U.S., Germany and U.K. in particular, a lot of people are using food banks (free, charity food sources) and dont know how will they pay their rent. Many old/retired Americans are living in vans and tents. Some of these are still working in jobs. In Turkey we are 5th in record inflation rates in the world. There are always a rich minority but that will not be enough for a company to survive I think. This economic crisis will continue at least a couple of years more.
I dont want to scare everybody but people all over the world are experiencing high rates of poverty and hunger. I watched videos from YouTube about U.S., Germany and U.K. in particular, a lot of people are using food banks (free, charity food sources) and dont know how will they pay their rent. Many old/retired Americans are living in vans and tents. Some of these are still working in jobs. In Turkey we are 5th in record inflation rates in the world. There are always a rich minority but that will not be enough for a company to survive I think. This economic crisis will continue at least a couple of years more.
breezybellows
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I guess one has to work with whatever the available tools are. I've seen individuals with a different perspective (To me, it's a rather unhealthy perspective). They tend to shy away from established practices in order to brag.
An example for that is to insist that they don't learn from a teacher so that they can brag that they are self taught and figured it all out by themselves. Same way some musicians will want to play mediocre instruments for a similar reason. "See what I can do and I don't even have a great instrument".
If a better instrument is within reach and if it could help one express themselves better, I don't see what the problem is.
Vladimir M.
Active member
Better model better performance?
Like when. I have a big freebass (c-griff) concert instrument which allows me to play almost everything. the only limitation on it is my own player´s skills. Nevertheless, I find the most ideas and solutions for adaptations of musical pieces on my smaller 80 bass instrument (stradella-bass only) with 36 keys and only three voices in the treble and standard machinery-quality reeds inside. The limitations of my small instrument also force me to come up with ideas that are ultimately creative and beautiful when playing a large instrument. So, in my case: a small low-quality box - a source of inspiration for original solutions. A great quality big instrument = means for the realization of perfect musical solutions...
Best regards, Vladimir
Like when. I have a big freebass (c-griff) concert instrument which allows me to play almost everything. the only limitation on it is my own player´s skills. Nevertheless, I find the most ideas and solutions for adaptations of musical pieces on my smaller 80 bass instrument (stradella-bass only) with 36 keys and only three voices in the treble and standard machinery-quality reeds inside. The limitations of my small instrument also force me to come up with ideas that are ultimately creative and beautiful when playing a large instrument. So, in my case: a small low-quality box - a source of inspiration for original solutions. A great quality big instrument = means for the realization of perfect musical solutions...
Best regards, Vladimir
That... right there.
I work my ass off every day and when I want something, I work harder and longer so that I can get it, as long as I am sure that this is what I want.
If your position is that you are concerned about making rent, you should NOT be investing in anything that jeopardizes your living space. If you are concerned about getting the next meal on the table, THAT is where your focus should be. That said, this is not what the conversation is about.
Does a better instrument make you a better musician? No, but you will play some of your finest music if you play on something that is capable of initially exceeding your capabilities and you are motivated enough to push your limits to meet those standards.
I play ok when I play on a Roland, it's fun, but when I play on my Gola, the world melts away and in the solitude of my mind and heart, I am hearing a kind of music that I cannot make on anything else that I own.
It's sad to say, but 95% of all people will never understand... until they spend some time with the instrument of their dreams.
Even sadder is being forced to sell your instrument in spite of getting as the bargain of your life, because you need the money you can get for it, and you know you won't get a second chance of being able to afford it. And the instrument is not even at fault for your financial situation.
Ignacchitti
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We all have to make our own choices about the instruments we wish to play. There is a great spectrum of playing abilities out there and also a great spectrum of accordions to choose from. Just take your pick, because the truth is none of this really matters to anyone else but you, the player.
However, I've come to the conclusion that there are some musicians out there, so discerning in their accordion choices that they instinctively "know" what the right instrument for them is - and importantly they don't always choose the "all singing and all dancing model" or the model that has the most illustrious name.
My favourite American accordionist is William Popp of Colorado, USA. I adore the way he plays; so open, natural and overflowing with music and joy. He plays a Titano Cosmopolitan with only 3 octaves of free bass, no extended keyboard and no cassotto. A lot of accordionists may mock this relatively light, compact and modest instrument, and yet his music is just gorgeous - it makes me smile! I also think a little bit of "room reverb" goes a long way to enhance the tone of a reasonably decent accordion. Sometimes good players need less, not more.
It is with pleasure that today I noticed a new recording of William Popp to YouTube. I think he is a credit to his instrument and his country. Here's a little sample of his music, I hope you enjoy...
However, I've come to the conclusion that there are some musicians out there, so discerning in their accordion choices that they instinctively "know" what the right instrument for them is - and importantly they don't always choose the "all singing and all dancing model" or the model that has the most illustrious name.
My favourite American accordionist is William Popp of Colorado, USA. I adore the way he plays; so open, natural and overflowing with music and joy. He plays a Titano Cosmopolitan with only 3 octaves of free bass, no extended keyboard and no cassotto. A lot of accordionists may mock this relatively light, compact and modest instrument, and yet his music is just gorgeous - it makes me smile! I also think a little bit of "room reverb" goes a long way to enhance the tone of a reasonably decent accordion. Sometimes good players need less, not more.
It is with pleasure that today I noticed a new recording of William Popp to YouTube. I think he is a credit to his instrument and his country. Here's a little sample of his music, I hope you enjoy...
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That’s the 2nd of 3 parts to that Sonatina… one of my favs to play around with.
breezybellows
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That's my teachers favorite movement. I learned to play it at slow tempo but lost track of it because of my exam/competition prep.That’s the 2nd of 3 parts to that Sonatina… one of my favs to play around with.
This is a video of his performance on a digital accordion.
murathan
Was a Bassoonist
Art is giving something from your heart because you want that flow from you to others. Its not at all about the sheet music you play, your playing level or brand/model. Its not about high performance. I ve seen that in some of my beginner students. If talent could be explained, that is talent.
I've seen this. I can see Macerollo's influence in his playing.
Ignacchitti
Active member
We are using the term art a lot here, and I think that when one is performing music, there are a lot of arts involved, not just the playing/performance. The instrument itself can be art (its aesthetics and its sound). What the accordion "luthier" created can be art.
When someone is playing a harpsichord on stage, it's obvious that the instrument itself is art (most harpsichords have a painted panel), besides what the player does with it.
When going to the opera, the music is art but so is the background, and the wardrobes, etc.
With accordions, a model itself can be art. Not just what you do with the instrument (the music played).
When someone is playing a harpsichord on stage, it's obvious that the instrument itself is art (most harpsichords have a painted panel), besides what the player does with it.
When going to the opera, the music is art but so is the background, and the wardrobes, etc.
With accordions, a model itself can be art. Not just what you do with the instrument (the music played).
murathan
Was a Bassoonist
Music is art, art comes from philosophy. It was always like that in human history. I love harpsichord by the way...
breezybellows
Well-known member
I totally agree. There are some instruments that just connect with you.That... right there.
I work my ass off every day and when I want something, I work harder and longer so that I can get it, as long as I am sure that this is what I want.
If your position is that you are concerned about making rent, you should NOT be investing in anything that jeopardizes your living space. If you are concerned about getting the next meal on the table, THAT is where your focus should be. That said, this is not what the conversation is about.
Does a better instrument make you a better musician? No, but you will play some of your finest music if you play on something that is capable of initially exceeding your capabilities and you are motivated enough to push your limits to meet those standards.
I play ok when I play on a Roland, it's fun, but when I play on my Gola, the world melts away and in the solitude of my mind and heart, I am hearing a kind of music that I cannot make on anything else that I own.
It's sad to say, but 95% of all people will never understand... until they spend some time with the instrument of their dreams.
yes and no
buy an instrument outside of your league:
now you are obligated to practice so hard to get at the same level as your new box..
(the frowning of your better half is an extra stimulant)
buy an instrument outside of your league:
now you are obligated to practice so hard to get at the same level as your new box..
(the frowning of your better half is an extra stimulant)
murathan
Was a Bassoonist
I believe everybody should play an instrument inside their league. Otherwise it becomes ridiculous and funny to a person who knows the business. Ordinary public buys that though. Maybe not wrong but seems odd.
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