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Irregular tremolo in brand new accordion plus other issues

The FB group "Traditional Irish Piano Accordion" features frequent posted playing clips by commenters of themselves or others in action, most quite delightful. Among them is a gent in rural Ireland having exuberant fun on a 3-voice Hohner Bravo. Honestly, it sounds almost as good for this use case as the Saltarelles so in demand in the Irish PA world at eye-watering prices. I feel the same about Weltmeisters, though the current hiked prices on view at Liberty are truly a head-shaker.

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I have worked on the same Bravo several times for a client. This is a fairly new instrument, and has a ton of problems due entirely to faulty manufacturing. The bass mechanism sticks, without any corrosion or dirt, but just from sheer shoddiness of construction. The bellows frames came detached from the bellows, and because the plastic frames don't fit the treble and bass sections, the pins work themselves loose with a little playing. The bellows gaskets were installed incorrectly, causing air leaks. How this instrument passed any sort of quality control is beyond me. Also, the reeds are of the very lowest quality and are slow to respond and eat air like a fiend. I have no problem with cheap accordions for beginners or casual players, but these are priced as if they are a step up from a typical cheap Chinese box. I honestly don't see any difference in quality.
 
The header at the top of each "Accordionists Forum" webpage has a photo of a Hohner Bravo accordion. This might suggest to newbies that this is a recommended accordion. Is Hohner paying for this promotion? Maybe the header should use a photo of a generic accordion, not an identifiable brand.
 
The header at the top of each "Accordionists Forum" webpage has a photo of a Hohner Bravo accordion. This might suggest to newbies that this is a recommended accordion. Is Hohner paying for this promotion? Maybe the header should use a photo of a generic accordion, not an identifiable brand.
Should a generic accordion be identifiable as piano or button accordion? Maybe we need a collage of a bunch of different accordions.
 
There may be some slightly better Chinese-made Hohner accordions than others, It all seems to depend on which technician made the reeds. I have seen ones that stayed in tune fairly well, but most were made in a hurry to minimal standards.
 
Hohners warranty is 90 days.
One gets the impression that German made Hohners have some kind of a cult following, are special in some way, because of German know how and German production excellence: invocations of the elves of the Black Forrest and all that jazz.
To an extent, I too was swayed in this mythology.
However, since having being exposed to this forum, I've come to the conviction that (with the exception of some few top of the line models, some not even made by Hohner, or even in Germany), in reality, the brand is pretty ordinary and I would now need considerable convincing to actually buy even an older Hohner ( let alone a current one).🤔
 
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The header at the top of each "Accordionists Forum" webpage has a photo of a Hohner Bravo accordion. This might suggest to newbies that this is a recommended accordion. Is Hohner paying for this promotion? Maybe the header should use a photo of a generic accordion, not an identifiable brand.
Knobby had to choose some picture for the header. I'm sure the forum gets zero income from having a Hohner picture up there. Maybe it's just Knobby's own accordion, I don't know. I fully agree with the suggestion to use a generic non-identifyable picture.
 
One gets the impression that German made Hohners have some kind of a cult following, are special in some way, because of German know how and German production excellence: invocations of the elves of the Black Forrest and all that jazz.
To an extent, I too was swayed in this mythology.
However, since having being exposed to this forum, I've come to the conviction that (with the exception of some few top of the line models, some not even made by Hohner, or even in Germany), in reality, the brand is pretty ordinary and I would now need considerable convincing to actually buy even an older Hohner ( let alone a current one).🤔
That's really underselling the role Hohner played in making and developing and marketing accordions and creating a market for them. They were sort of the "Volkswagen" of accordions. They were the ones to both mass-manufacture the instrument as well as create a market demand for them (diatonics first, piano accordions next: they didn't specifically push CBA), partly with the "accordion orchestra" concept including the awkward "Electronium". The company really played an extraordinary role. It doesn't these days (and ownership and directorship is 100% Taiwanese), and of course its widespread product palette means widespread qualities for the historic instruments.
 
One gets the impression that German made Hohners have some kind of a cult following, are special in some way, because of German know how and German production excellence: invocations of the elves of the Black Forrest and all that jazz.
To an extent, I too was swayed in this mythology.
However, since having being exposed to this forum, I've come to the conviction that (with the exception of some few top of the line models, some not even made by Hohner, or even in Germany), in reality, the brand is pretty ordinary and I would now need considerable convincing to actually buy even an older Hohner ( let alone a current one).🤔
I would still recommend the Corona II from the good ol’ days. Last check one is going for $650 around here, more than most piano accordions. They will probably be over $1000 soon.
 
One gets the impression that German made Hohners have some kind of a cult following, are special in some way, because of German know how and German production excellence: invocations of the elves of the Black Forrest and all that jazz.
To an extent, I too was swayed in this mythology.
However, since having being exposed to this forum, I've come to the conviction that (with the exception of some few top of the line models, some not even made by Hohner, or even in Germany), in reality, the brand is pretty ordinary and I would now need considerable convincing to actually buy even an older Hohner ( let alone a current one).🤔

The West German Workhorses do have a bit of a "cult following" among roots/folk players, for good reason. A pristine Concerto iiiN appeared on Reverb a couple of weeks ago with a US chain store priced at just under a grand, and spent about three days there.

If you like their characteristic sound personality, a timbre not universally adored, but beloved in many roots/folk subgenres, there's nothing like a WGW. Weltmeister gets close, but at higher prices for plastic reed blocks and bass mechanisms, and a voice that is close but not quite. The Asian Hohners also get close soundwise, but with QC risks as discussed here, and again, something not quite there in the power and body of the sound.

I've never heard it attributed to any woo-woo magic. But a WGW acquired in good repair if well cared for will probably still be going long after its brand-new Asian Bravo counterparts have collapsed. My techs hate working on the Welt folk-size boxes and the Asian stuff, but they can repair 40-year-old WGWs all day long provided the damage isn't huge.

There is also size, availability, and price. Inconceivable though it may seem to the devotees of refrigerator-size accordions on this site, many roots players have zero interest in or use for full-size accordions. While Hohner seems to have produced scads of workhorses as 26/48 MMs, 34/72 MMs, and 34/72 LMMs, the surviving ordinary-issue Italian instruments seem more numerous in full size or in "student" or "ladies" 41/120s, often with skinny keys and/or LM voices. Vintage MM or LMM Italian instruments of 26, 30, 34, or 36/37 treble sizes and 48 to 72-ish basses are far thinner on the ground and disappear very quickly from used stock.

Currently a new Italian made 26-key will run you $3K to $3300-ish if you can find one, and that would be Durall reeds---the premium product from Petosa, Gabbanelli, Hohner Anacleto will be one very, very pricy 26-key indeed. 30/72 and 34/72 configs higher still with similar boost for the fancy stuff.

Should roots/folk players really have no choice but to pay these prices or go Chinese? Yes indeed, Hohner's vintage workhorses do have a following. No fairy dust involved.
 
because it was handy ?

because other groups who have gone the way of the DoDo and Dinosaur
used Gola and Roland pix and ended up being seemingly unwelcoming to
newbies by elite association, (?) whilst here, everyone, even those who
own lowly Bravo's or e. Soprani's (my GOD a shiver just ran down my spine)
are welcome
 
because it was handy ?
Probably. Old eyes will ignore it, but it may be seen as a promotion by newbies looking to buy an accordion. I think the current photo would be fine, if the Hohner name could be removed or blurred out to make it generic. To emphasize the forum is inclusive of all types of accordions, add a generic button accordion (or two, both CBA and diatonic) to the right side of the heading.
 
To emphasize the forum is inclusive of all types of accordions, add a generic button accordion (or two, both CBA and diatonic) to the right side of the heading.
...Zheng, CBA (3 main griiffs), harmonica, flutina, Chemnitzer, converter ( two kinds), organetto, steyrische, Bayan, garmon, etc!🤔🤣
 
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...Zheng, CBA (3 main griiffs), harmonica, flutina, Chemnitzer, converter ( two kinds), organetto, steyrische, Bayan, garmon, etc!🤔🤣
Sure, I would go for that - but to be more practical, at least one representative of the button accordion family. I have met people who ask me what instrument I am playing, because they have never encountered an accordion without a piano keyboard.
 
Sure, I would go for that - but to be more practical, at least one representative of the button accordion family. I have met people who ask me what instrument I am playing, because they have never encountered an accordion without a piano keyboard.

"...they have never encountered an accordion without a piano keyboard."

The herd instinct well illustrated there; commercially driven 'popularity' is a horrific sheet-anchor on community development.

"It must be best, everyone is doing/buying it"

'Finto' piano accordions? ( Pietro Frosini refers. )
 
I have to say, all this Hohner bashing is quite disturbing given that I'm waiting for my first ever Hohner squeezebox to clear the great British customs. 🫣
 
I have to say, all this Hohner bashing is quite disturbing given that I'm waiting for my first ever Hohner squeezebox to clear the great British customs. 🫣
Well, it's payback for all those poor Weltmeister players trying to join an over-Hohnered accordion orchestra and getting scoffed at their instrument. There is more than the logo outside for judging an instrument. Don't let yourself get apprehensive before even having the spoils in hand.
 
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