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Zero Sette - Giuletti - Petosa

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I found this interesting post from Zero Sette in a google forum, dated 2001

Dear Accordion Friends ,
just a note to clear up that we don't sell our ZERO SETTE accordiond to the
U.S. and we have never had a ZERO SETTE representative there .
We have supplied american accordionsts with our GIULIETTI line of
accordions and the selling network has always been managed directly by the
Giulietti Family .
As Dan already wrote the ZERO SETTE , Giulietti , and Petosa lines are
completely different .

In case someone needs more informations or has some more questions pls.
contact us by e-mail directly .

ZERO SETTE - Alessio Gerundini


ZERO SETTE Accordion Factory
60022 Castelfidardo - ITALY
FAX : +39 071 7822845
E-mail : [email protected]
 

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For decades Zero Sette has been building Giulietti and Petosa accordions, so it is no big surprise that they do not sell under their own name in the US. But... Zero Sette and Bugari share the same factory, and Bugari is commonly found in the US. So to get an accordion from that factory that isn't branded as Giulietti or Petosa you can buy a Bugari.
 

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For decades Zero Sette has been building Giulietti and Petosa accordions, so it is no big surprise that they do not sell under their own name in the US. But... Zero Sette and Bugari share the same factory, and Bugari is commonly found in the US. So to get an accordion from that factory that isn't branded as Giulietti or Petosa you can buy a Bugari.
Petosa is an authorized dealer for Giulietti, Bugari, and a few other brands. At the moment, the most expensive new accordion they have listed in stock is a Bugari. The post from Zero Sette implies that although they are all made at the same factory, the product lines are not the same and you can't buy the exact same model with either a Bugari, Giulietti, or Petosa badge.
 

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If you call Petosa directly, they will tell you out and out that they purchase from Zero Sette even today. Also if you look on both catalogs, there are some pretty obvious similarities. Now, not everything is a copy, and there are things that exist on the other side. If I were Petosa, I would commission Zero Sette to make some things *just* for me, which I believe happened.

Today reduced sales, more product awareness due to the internet, it's hard to deny or hide certain facts. :)
 

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Can a Petosa be purchased new in Europe through an authorized dealer?
I don't believe there are authorized Petosa dealers in Europe. I have never come across any Petosa-labeled accordion in Europe either.
I don't think there is a war going on over the Petosa name though (unlike about the Titano name). So there may just not be any interest for a Petosa (over a Zero Sette or Bugari).
 

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I took delivery of a new Petosa earlier this year; Cathedral 45 note RH, 140 bass quint FB. Superbe instrument, smooth action, evenly voiced etc. It was some time in the manufacture but well worth the wait. Originally ordered though the Petosa UK agent, Peter Le Geyt (‭+44 (0) 20 8977 6680‬). I also dealt with Joe Petosa in Seattle who arranged the specification based on an instrument from the Petosa catalogue. On a visit to the factory in Osimo met Alessio Gerundini formerly the key man at Zero Sette which is now merged with Bugari. Was able to have some discussion about the specification and my aspirations, as the instrument was being assembled on the ZS benches. By the time it was finished, the merger had taken place and I paid the final bill and shipment to Bugari. In answer to Paul's point, Petosa badged accordions are not common but I have seen several of their high end models in the UK (other than my own). And yes, they have all been commissioned by Petosa in Seattle and assembled at the ZS factory in Osimo, next town to Castelfidardo. Now that effectively means 'Bugari' since ZS, who for sometime shared bench space in the same premises, was incorporated into the Bugari a couple of years ago. I note that the company has found a, no doubt welcome, investor from China and I naturally hope that will not result in change of emphasis which could compromise the personal dedication of the workmanship of the Italian team. So far I perceive the quality of the Bugari products including the Petosa commissioned accordions, reflects the company's strong reputation. Time will tell how the journey of the industry unfolds in the future. I have been asked why I ordered a Petosa and not a Bugari if they are basically the same thing behind the badge. A good question as the build quality is likely to be the same. I don't think the badge itself necessarily determines the quality as all the brand names offer a range. The difference may be opportunistic, being able to discuss the specification with the UK agent and the Seattle commissioners. Is that marketing or access to the info? I'm happy with the outcome.
 

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Hello Brian, Thank you for sharing your experience in the purchase of your Petosa. It sounds like an incredible accordion.
Did it take longer to manufacture than Petosa had estimated?
 

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I took delivery of a new Petosa earlier this year; Cathedral 45 note RH, 140 bass quint FB. Superbe instrument, smooth action, evenly voiced etc. It was some time in the manufacture but well worth the wait. Originally ordered though the Petosa UK agent, Peter Le Geyt (‭+44 (0) 20 8977 6680‬). ...
Thanks for correcting me. So it seems there are Petosa "representatives" in the UK... Never seen a Petosa on the European mainland, but who knows, they may exist too...
 

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The Petosa cathedral was ordered in Sept 2018 and delivered Jan 2021. There were a number of pauses to clarify the specification with the Seattle office and some quality issues with sourcing the sliders for the bass mechanism. Also I guess the work of all Italian factories was slowed during the peak of Covid restrictions. In essence the instrument could be considered a custom build and they don’t sell may like it. But excuses aside the process took 2yrs 4mths from beginning to end. Unfortunately for me Britain leaving the EU due to our popularist government’s characteristic incompetence, lead to in increase in import tariffs in January. I count myself lucky that the shipment wasn’t arbitrarily impounded by the UK Border Agency because a uniformed official believed the content of the box to be a stealth weapon!

I am an enthusiast for the quint free bass system. Having owned and played several configurations of chromatic accordions, I think the Stradella layout is an inspired invention and from a musical point of view is very logical in the context of modern Western music. There have always been limitations with the single octave range on the bass notes be it ingeniously folded back to give a sort of acceptable fudge. This is partially addressed by a well voiced quint FB which offers the best of both worlds enabling a seamless flip with between the modes, considerably extending the single note range whilst still having the triads. With a little practise this is easily effected “on the fly” because the same notes are under the fingers without the need to rethink location in a different layout, which in my hands realistically means stopping the music and restarting. During the same piece one can switch modes several times, as would apply to piano based instruments (ie chord or notes in combination or separately according to demands of the moment.)

Out of interest, my new Petosa, being a 140 bass, in FB mode deploys 4 octaves of single notes without juggling with switching registers and the scale is very well balanced in timbre across the range. There are the usual 3 FB registers, spanning 5 octaves of bass notes. Also with this large Petosa, in stradella mode there are two pairs of rows of bass notes pitched an octave apart on rows 1& 2 and 3&4. Rows 5 to 8 are the familiar stradella triads. I have been pleasantly surprised how useful it is to have 2 real octaves of easily accessible bass notes in Stradella mode, without even starting to flip to FB mode. With the 45 note RH, the realistically accessible range of this instrument is as good as any 88 note piano.

Another point harking back to a previous thread of posts on the forum about voicing, at my request the 5 voice RH has the high quint reed block rather than a detuned musette. It adds a very subtle quality to the chorus and it not at all dominant or jarring as may have been previously mentioned. Rather the sound in combination emphasises some naturally occurring harmonics giving it a baroque feel. Definitely not out of tune, a criticism sometimes heard in relation to musettes in classical music. Although narrowly tuned musettes are supposed to simulate a similar effect to vibrato for string players, in most instruments the tuning is too uneven across the range to be convincing (in my humble opinion).

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Outstanding information Brian. Your Cathedral is an exquisite instrument.
Would you happen to have any recordings or videos you can share?
Does you accordion have “Bluestar” reeds?
A long wait to receive the accordion, but considering the complexity of construction, customization, and a pandemic, it is not surprising.
 

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Outstanding information Brian. Your Cathedral is an exquisite instrument.
Would you happen to have any recordings or videos you can share?
Does you accordion have “Bluestar” reeds?
A long wait to receive the accordion, but considering the complexity of construction, customization, and a pandemic, it is not surprising.
Thanks for your encouraging remarks; I'll work on doing a recording for general info; haven't got round to it yet. Not sure what make of reeds, or Bluestar. I have a hunch that most of the accordion manufacturers in this area source their reeds from the same specialist reed producer; I'll try and find out.
 

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From the Petosa website,
Cathedral Galla-Rini Bayan • "5 sets 'petosa' Antonelli Blue Star handmade treble reeds"
Cathedral Piano Bayan "Voci Armoniche BLUESTAR"
Cathedral AM1100 • "Voci Armoniche BLUESTAR"

These 3 models are all piano accordions
 

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From the Petosa website,
Cathedral Galla-Rini Bayan • "5 sets 'petosa' Antonelli Blue Star handmade treble reeds"
Cathedral Piano Bayan "Voci Armoniche BLUESTAR"
Cathedral AM1100 • "Voci Armoniche BLUESTAR"

These 3 models are all piano accordions
Thanks for that snippet. So the reeds used in the Petosa Cathedrals is the Bluestar. The term cathedral seems to refer to the 45 note piano RH as opposed to the 41 note piano model. Petosa and Zero Sette use the designation 'Galla-Rini' or 'G-R' for their quint freebass LH mechanism. I assume the successful American accordion virtuoso of the last century must have had some financial connection with Petosa. Anthony Galla-Rini's good name may have seemed a valuable endorsement to the marketing process at the time and arguably had a better ring to it than the generic description of the product. It is likely that he delivered some of his performances using a Petosa badged instrument and may have passed comment on the development process. I have also heard of other high profile accordion names linked with the quint system with other companies... such as Palmer and Marcosignori. Though again I don't believe that could be stretched to say they "invented" the instrument which has clearly been around for much longer. I'm always sceptical when individuals claim to be the "inventors" as most of these ideas emerge over a long period. At some point in evolution of a gadget an entrepreneur may take out a patent and cash in, hijacking and to some extent stifling development of the existing concept.
 

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