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This may be the silliest question ever...

That's certainly and sadly true. Everything below $500 is a toy, between $500 and $1500 is only a decent beginner box. This is a very pricy hobby.
No lie there. It's funny, because precision manufacturing methods have brought about an absolute golden age of truly good, cheap, electric guitars. You can still sneer at stuff that's a "lesser" brand, but it's harder to find what they actually did wrong. No, not ones you find at a grocery store or something, but a couple of steps up?
 
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Well, speaking of strong, or weird opinions, I'm getting a B/C diatonic with 36 chromatic basses restored for me.
Is that kind of what a Shand Morino is like?
 
Is that kind of what a Shand Morino is like?
It definitely is, in fact, technologically, and chronologically speaking, it's the forerunner of the Shand, and was top of the line for Hohner at the time.

The Shand Morino adds a third C# row, so you can in theory play any chord on the right hand. You can already (more or less, sometimes less) play in every key on a B/C, by using both rows. The C# can open more possibilities with more note reversals on the press/draw, too, but I haven't studied it enough to tell you which offhand. (This is also accomplished on other boxes with "helper" rows than give you note reversals, a bit like the gleichton, but not on the home note of the row's key.)

The Shand marries that diatonic approach with the full 80 (and eventually 120?) bass layout. Which makes it incredibly versatile, while remaining in the Celtic diatonic tradition.

I've opted for a lighter approach, a B/C with 36 basses, which gives you a bass, major chord, minor chord, chromatically, in every key. This Hohner offers four voices as well, but with far fewer combinations than the Shand, but with LMMM approaches the Irish American (one row, six, eight, voices) to a degree.

The choice for me, after experiencing a PA Morino, came down to a Shand in the UK, which a member here very (incredibly) kindly offered to facilitate, or the restoration of this box in the USA. This one is closer to what I'm playing now, and probably intend to play, but no doubt I'll end up wishing I'd somehow managed both.


So in terms of just how much the Organola B/C likely informs the future Shand Morino, here's a picture of Jimmy Shand and his Hohner organola from melodeon.net, probably 1933-34ish.

 

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" B/C diatonic with 36 chromatic basses"
I'd really appreciate a few photos if possible
 

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Thank you Xiane.
I'd never heard of such a 'box' then 2 turn up.
A sensible answer to the problem of LH on semitone-apart accordions.
I guess it could have lead to the 48 bass on B/C/C# 'British Chromatics.'
 
Anyway, this is my understanding, Ric or one of the other Italians on here can correct me.
Thank you Tom,
first, I would like to point out that I am not an expert in liscio and am a beginner accordionist. That said, I was born and raised surrounded by liscio. In Piacenza (Emilia) and province, there are dozens of more or less large orchestras that throughout the year, especially at the many summer festivals, some huge, play ballroom and much more. Just to understand in July and August every weekend within a few tens of kilometers you can find 10 festivals because every small town has its own. As for the distinction of the Filuzzi subgenre I have to say that here, as far as I know, it is totally unknown among people (and even among musicians I don't think it is considered as a genre in itself). Historically of Bolognese origin, the difference was mainly in how it was danced. Liscio dancing involved a smooth dance floor while in the country where there was no dance floor the dancing was more bouncy and the music, consequently, had to be more "staccato." As for the talk about playing more by opening the bellows than by closing I have seen that many, most, tend to play by opening. Talking with some accordionists also confirmed this to me. I would have some questions at this point. Why? I have been told that the sound is different but I don't perceive it. How do you make such fast bellows closures? (Without apparently making air noise) I leave you a video of village festivals and a link to the Italian Bagutti Orchestra of Piacenza, founded in 1973. Large orchestra that tours all over Italy and participates in TV shows. Today I think liscio is only a part (small?) of the music they play

 
How do you make such fast bellows closures? (Without apparently making air noise)
By brute force. This pushes open enough pallets that the air gets through without sounding individual notes and without the hiss of a small air button channel.

Of course this would not work on the draw.
 
Thank you Tom,
first, I would like to point out that I am not an expert in liscio and am a beginner accordionist. That said, I was born and raised surrounded by liscio. In Piacenza (Emilia) and province, there are dozens of more or less large orchestras that throughout the year, especially at the many summer festivals, some huge, play ballroom and much more. Just to understand in July and August every weekend within a few tens of kilometers you can find 10 festivals because every small town has its own. As for the distinction of the Filuzzi subgenre I have to say that here, as far as I know, it is totally unknown among people (and even among musicians I don't think it is considered as a genre in itself). Historically of Bolognese origin, the difference was mainly in how it was danced. Liscio dancing involved a smooth dance floor while in the country where there was no dance floor the dancing was more bouncy and the music, consequently, had to be more "staccato." As for the talk about playing more by opening the bellows than by closing I have seen that many, most, tend to play by opening. Talking with some accordionists also confirmed this to me. I would have some questions at this point. Why? I have been told that the sound is different but I don't perceive it. How do you make such fast bellows closures? (Without apparently making air noise) I leave you a video of village festivals and a link to the Italian Bagutti Orchestra of Piacenza, founded in 1973. Large orchestra that tours all over Italy and participates in TV shows. Today I think liscio is only a part (small?) of the music they play

Thanks Ric!!! Thanks for the explanation of “liscio”, I never knew the term had to do with the smoothness of the dance floor. Fascinating!

And thanks for the Bagutti info. I’m familiar with that band, and it’s true, it seems they now play a lot of “pop” music. I would still love to see them at a festival in Piacenza.

Ciao!
 
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Thanks Ric!!! Thanks for the explanation of “liscio”, I never knew the term had to do with the smoothness of the dance floor. Fascinating!

And thanks for the Baguti info. I’m familiar with that band, and it’s true, it seems they now play a lot of “pop” music. I would still love to see them at a festival in Piacenza.

Ciao!
you are welcome, I am waiting for you. As you may have seen from the video in addition to music, good food is never lacking
 
Oh, that’s great, mille grazie. Now I see that the introduction of the accordion in liscio music started with the Emilians, such as Ruggiero Passarini and Gigi Stok. . Before that, it was mostly violins and clarinets in that role. 🙏🙏
Exactly! I see that you have studied well :p
 
Thank you Xiane.
I'd never heard of such a 'box' then 2 turn up.
A sensible answer to the problem of LH on semitone-apart accordions.
I guess it could have lead to the 48 bass on B/C/C# 'British Chromatics.'
I didn't know such a thing was possible, either. It really solves a lot of problems for me. Certainly many Irish players never touch the basses on their B/C, but that's not exactly my situation. A 48 bass Irish is probably a useful instrument to a lot of people, but it's really about the market.

I think the Shand Morino solves the problem of a particular time - the dance halls, and electrically amplified instruments aren't really in vogue yet. So you want something that can do pretty much everything, but sounds "right", that is diatonic, when playing Scottish music. And is loud enough to be heard throughout the hall.

For a more intimate session where guitars, and the keys guitarists, or even singers, like, are an inevitability, and fiddles are comparatively rare, and a B/C player is struggling to accompany on some songs without just doing a drone or something, well, that Organola looks mighty fine. (Ask me how I know...)

I asked the restorer why wouldn't it be possible to make a new Irish American (one row, 6 or 8 voices), and there's nothing stopping anyone, except they don't know it's possible, or the manufacturers don't think there's a market. In the US Hohner is now pretty much entirely devoted to the Latino market, so odds are they won't be doing anything in any Celtic direction - maybe a 6 voice Cajun box but I doubt it. Sometime, if I feel worthy, I'll ask one of the Cajun accordion makers to build one for me, maybe, as they are sort of one row specialists.
 
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