We are very lucky to have Ventura in our group he is a font of knowledge and very experienced musician ....he does not just talk the Talk
HE CAN WALK THE TALK ....................... I've said my piece .............lets keep this forum friendly !!
Korg FISA SUPREMA
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HE CAN WALK THE TALK ....................... I've said my piece .............lets keep this forum friendly !!
EuroFolker
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Anyways, the problem with the app is that the "xmure store" is taken down, either permanently or temporarily.
When you open the app it "phones home" and deletes all patterns etc, rendering the app unusable - presumably running the "store" costs money and they don't get enough income out of it?
I know this because I have a spare iPhone which has no sim and is not connected to wi-fi, I had previously installed the app there.
On it, the app works just fine as it does not know it's supposed to self-destruct.
When you open the app it "phones home" and deletes all patterns etc, rendering the app unusable - presumably running the "store" costs money and they don't get enough income out of it?
I know this because I have a spare iPhone which has no sim and is not connected to wi-fi, I had previously installed the app there.
On it, the app works just fine as it does not know it's supposed to self-destruct.
KeysFla
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Sounds promisingSomething interesting... Luigi Bruti is releasing g a VST.
Luigi Bruti
🎹 Something new is coming… Born from Italian passion for sound: T2L Piano, the very first DEXIBELL VST plug-in. 🎧 Incredible realism. True responsiveness. Note by note. 📅 Available online in a few...www.facebook.com
. The interesting part is we may have access to the many sounds Dexibel offers for future download. They have a nice editor app for their keyboard line which may be in future release for the FISA?
KeysFla
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The Roland fr7 has bellow pins. Must have been wood in that area?
If I still had mine, would be interesting to take it apart…
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From what I saw in pics... plastic composite.The Roland fr7 has bellow pins. Must have been wood in that area?
If I still had mine, would be interesting to take it apart…
I have a similar problem with his long paragraphs, not much correct puncuation, Caps/small letters, etc. However, the information in many of his posts -- especially on the Roland FR-7X, that he had very detailed design input. This information is invaluable. He also knows a lot about predecessors of the Digital accordion (Cordovox, etc.). And, on the Organ front, he also has a good "handle" of the design that went into the Hammond tonewheel organs that were built from 1935 - 1975 and are valuable Classic organs today.
As to this post of Ventura's that you have commented on. He may not be 100% right on, with his comments of new products that are current today. However, he has a strong background in product development -- knows the politics involved and can take a good educated guess of what's going on with a new product. Don't forget Ventura went to and has a Degree from the 'College Of Hard Knocks".
It's a challenge for me too. I think he uses a 3rd party editor forum reader/editor. Some people with visual impedements use it as they can increase font size and magnify sections when needed (I'm NOT saying that "V" has anything wrong with his eyes!!).
That is often exactly what I think. Respect for that! 
EuroFolker
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Glad I was dead wrong, and I'll be the first to admit it.
Wrong about Dexibell abandoning the app, not about the actual issue.
The Xmure store was mistakenly taken down by Apple!
The developer did not know about the issue until I contacted them on FB, but then they contacted Apple to get it sorted out, and after a few hours it started working again. I chatted with the developer on Messenger and assisted to confirm that everything is working again.
So kudos to Dexibell / Xmure for reacting so quickly and fixing the issue, once they knew about it.
By the way *nothing* is streamed to this app, everything is initially downloaded to the device and when the app is working, it can go offline no problem, everything will still be available.
Why wouldn't it be in this day and age of phones and tablets with 128gb or more storage?
Wrong about Dexibell abandoning the app, not about the actual issue.
The Xmure store was mistakenly taken down by Apple!
The developer did not know about the issue until I contacted them on FB, but then they contacted Apple to get it sorted out, and after a few hours it started working again. I chatted with the developer on Messenger and assisted to confirm that everything is working again.
So kudos to Dexibell / Xmure for reacting so quickly and fixing the issue, once they knew about it.
By the way *nothing* is streamed to this app, everything is initially downloaded to the device and when the app is working, it can go offline no problem, everything will still be available.
Why wouldn't it be in this day and age of phones and tablets with 128gb or more storage?
Bof! 128gb is for sissies... LOLOLOL
They're at the TERRABYTE level now, and growing!
EuroFolker
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Yes, but a lot of audio data can fit on even on a 64gb iPad. Of course when buying a new device, it is wise to future-proof it, opting for as large as the budget allows.
Squeezeplay
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man I feel left behind......I have an old 16 Gigabyte I pad mini ....... ... I have program info for literally hundreds of tunes in it... I control my SD-40 with it. and it isn't half full. I do not think I can learn enough tunes to fill it if I learn a tune every other day for the next twenty years.
Hey, at 48kHz 16bit Stereo uncompressed, 64GB memory isn't even enough for a week of continuous recording. Of course if you just record MIDI (after all, the instrument should be a near perfect expander), we will more likely be talking about years…
It depends on what you use it for. iPads tend to fill up no matter how big the drives get (even if you don't have what I've seen on other people's iPads... 270gb of text messages, 500gb of images and videos, etc...)
My iPad has a 1TB drive in it that's about 1/2-3/4 full, but then again, I use it for not just holding my music, but minor videography projects (Davinci Resolve for iPad, of course... lol). I also use it to remotely control my FR-8X, BK-7M, my video camera and on ocaission, remotely log in to access and control my home computers.
Squeezeplay
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I ONLY use my music I pad for gig music …… absolutely nothing else. It has never been on the internet, or been used for communication. Not even between it and my everyday I Pad, or my desk top computer. It has one only program on it to run my Ketron SD 40 .
No imported backing tracks. If I use a backing track, which is very rarely, it goes from my desk top to a stick, then directly into the memory of my SD 40. Which likely I will never be able to fill. To play it, I use a sixteen digit code attached to the tune name on my I Pad. I touch the tune name on the IPad, it sets up the Ketron instantly for the selected tune. ALL editing is done directly on the SD 40.
No imported backing tracks. If I use a backing track, which is very rarely, it goes from my desk top to a stick, then directly into the memory of my SD 40. Which likely I will never be able to fill. To play it, I use a sixteen digit code attached to the tune name on my I Pad. I touch the tune name on the IPad, it sets up the Ketron instantly for the selected tune. ALL editing is done directly on the SD 40.
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micahcowan
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Yeah, but they never claim, to my knowledge, to record to pure audio. That'd be quite a silly thing to do (as well as a difficult one for opening something back up and re-editing things). They claim to use only recorded audio tracks as the sound sources. Which I read as "we use a sample library", not "we record your music straight to uncompressed PCM".
For a handful of instruments, that fits on a handful of gigs at very high quality. For more middle-of-the-road quality, you could fit quite a few more than a handful of instruments in a handful of gigs. Yes, we're in the age of terabytes of data for sound libraries on recorded-instrument audio - but that's for 96kHz samples of at least 32-bit frames, often at several channels (not just stereo), and probably multiple of the same samples at different sample rates. Also, quite a lot depends on how thorough a library you're trying to provide. EastWest's terabyte-sized libraries have a fairly insane level of recorded starts and stops, sustains, vibrato, not vibrato, trills, glissandos, etc etc. Multiplied by those ridiculous sample rates and variations of recordings. I say "insane", and "ridiculous", but of course they're not at all for East West's intended users. I would not, however, expect that level of extreme dedication to fidelity to this sort of app running on a phone. For all I know, it may not even be stereo samples (you can add "stereo" back in, in the arrangement, which of course will not at all be as good, but they could still be doing things that way), and you could certainly get by on 44.1kHz samples at 16 bits, I'd imagine (CD quality). A handful of gigabytes seems plenty, to me, considering that a ~700mb CD can hold an hour's worth of instrument samples. (700mb wouldn't be the best in the world, and at that level would render the "brag" that it's "all recordings based" to be kind of underwhelming, but it'd still be a true statement - and we're talking about several gigs here, so we can do much better than that without resorting to streaming.)
None of which means they don't stream the audio... but I don't feel there's nearly enough evidence from this scant claim to support that as a foregone conclusion from what's been discussed so far.
micahcowan
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To get back to the original topic of the Fisa Suprema on this thread, mine's apparently arriving tomorrow before noon, from Sweetwater, who had a "button" type in stock (at least the one, anyway). I've spent some time today reading the manual, and one of the features I'm excited about, is that you can apparently customize which individual reed sets comprise the selection for a register, including whether they're "in" or "out" of cassotto (idk if there's limitations on which or how many sets can be "in"). I don't think the Roland has that feature, does it?
I'm also excited by the apparently much-improved bellows action, though of course playing is believing. I don't expect it to "fool" me, judging from Joseph's videos (though maybe it was just because he hadn't adjusted it? not holding my breath), but it certainly seems at least improved, and the fact that you can (mostly) do bellows shakes on it (per "Hits 4 Accordion"'s vid on it, it appears to miss detection of the shake about half the time, at least if you're doing a rapid shake - I imagine single shakes for effect are easier to get to "take", and probably more moderate-speed ongoing shakes?). I don't tend to fall in love with digital instruments that don't feel very authentic, but there's some part of me hoping to be surprised and actually find something to love about the playing experience.
In the meantime, though, even if I don't love the play-feel, I'll have a 120-bass accordion again, with a converter this time, with multiple reed sets for free bass, and the palm switch and chin switches will be awfully handy. I only see accoustic C-griff CBAs with that featureset come across e.g. Liberty Bellows maybe once or twice in a year (at least, that gets as far as getting a video to advertise it), and they always get snapped up before I even know they were there (and even if I knew, I'm on the other side of the country from them - in the US it's hard to just jump over from West Coast to East at short notice! But idk maybe they'd hold it on deposit while I arrange plane tickets for the weekend? Of course, that means I've spent about a thousand dollars (btw ticket and hotel) just to try the instrument and see if I like it...)
I do plan to eventually commission a Petosa Cathedral (CBA) like Joseph's (PA) at some point. I priced a similar instrument with Victoria, and it wasn't that much cheaper, and of course wouldn't have their lifetime service warrantee (and unlike with Victoria, I live a few hours from Petosa). And with Victoria I'd be liable to want to go to Italy to pick it up personally, rather than trust it to shipping. But I'm not quite flush with that much cash as of yet (though I only need 25% deposit to get the order going - but of course I just spent that on the Korg), and of course it also means waiting about a year and a half at minimum, while they go 'head and make it for me.
I'm also excited by the apparently much-improved bellows action, though of course playing is believing. I don't expect it to "fool" me, judging from Joseph's videos (though maybe it was just because he hadn't adjusted it? not holding my breath), but it certainly seems at least improved, and the fact that you can (mostly) do bellows shakes on it (per "Hits 4 Accordion"'s vid on it, it appears to miss detection of the shake about half the time, at least if you're doing a rapid shake - I imagine single shakes for effect are easier to get to "take", and probably more moderate-speed ongoing shakes?). I don't tend to fall in love with digital instruments that don't feel very authentic, but there's some part of me hoping to be surprised and actually find something to love about the playing experience.
In the meantime, though, even if I don't love the play-feel, I'll have a 120-bass accordion again, with a converter this time, with multiple reed sets for free bass, and the palm switch and chin switches will be awfully handy. I only see accoustic C-griff CBAs with that featureset come across e.g. Liberty Bellows maybe once or twice in a year (at least, that gets as far as getting a video to advertise it), and they always get snapped up before I even know they were there (and even if I knew, I'm on the other side of the country from them - in the US it's hard to just jump over from West Coast to East at short notice! But idk maybe they'd hold it on deposit while I arrange plane tickets for the weekend? Of course, that means I've spent about a thousand dollars (btw ticket and hotel) just to try the instrument and see if I like it...)
I do plan to eventually commission a Petosa Cathedral (CBA) like Joseph's (PA) at some point. I priced a similar instrument with Victoria, and it wasn't that much cheaper, and of course wouldn't have their lifetime service warrantee (and unlike with Victoria, I live a few hours from Petosa). And with Victoria I'd be liable to want to go to Italy to pick it up personally, rather than trust it to shipping. But I'm not quite flush with that much cash as of yet (though I only need 25% deposit to get the order going - but of course I just spent that on the Korg), and of course it also means waiting about a year and a half at minimum, while they go 'head and make it for me.
That is indeed a feature that sounds exciting to me too. However, ... for some unknown (stupid) reason the Korg is missing the option to control the volume of each individual reed in a register (which apparently the Roland has). So if you finally find say a combination of a 16' from some reed set and an 8' from perhaps a different reed set and a 4' from a third reed set that give you the right mix you like, but the 4' is a bit too loud, you cannot adjust that 4' volume... (I believe this is one of the issues Uwe Steger talks about in his set of video reviews of the Korg.) This sounds like rather essential feature to me. I make recordings for my accordion ensemble arrangements where one of the key points in selecting which accordion to use for which "voice" in the arrangement is the relative volume of 16, 8 an 4' voices. I have a Hohner Morino with a rather weak 4' voice, Bugari with a stronger 4' and AKKO with the strongest 4'. And I'd love to be able to play a 16-8-4 register with the 16' sound of my AKKO, the 8' sound of my Morino and the 4' volume in the mix like the Bugari... This is of course not possible, but if you find such 3 sounds to combine into a 16-8-4 register on the Korg it is quite likely that you's like to control the volume of each reed set. I wonder if it may be possible to create a sound combination with two accordion sounds, each in a different register (just like combining two different orchestral sounds)...
micahcowan
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Are you sure about that? Where did you hear it? From the owner's manual (p. 75), I see the following excerpt on reed parameters. So, as long as the manual is not inaccurate on this point, it seems you can indeed adjust the balance of the individual reed set.
That's a relief! I revisted Uwe's videos and the lack of volume control appears to be in the tremolo settings. You can set the amount of tremolo but not the volume of the tremolo, which I guess is the volume difference between the main reed (in tune) and the offset reed (slightly higher or lower).
So that's one worry resolved! I'm getting more and more exited at hopefully being able to try a Fisa in person, hopefully at WMF2025.
The Fisa has to do really well to replace (or just complement0 the accordions I already have. I consider all the orchestral sounds, drums and other features just "nice to have" but for me what's really essential is whether it can replace 1) a nice classical accordion with cassotto and 2) my bass accordion (which needs to sound like an accordion, but very low, going down to C1).
micahcowan
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Yeah. To my ear, they sound way better than Roland's (low bar, there) - and the new "synth-y" features like the touch bar, or the gyroscopic effect controls where you can do e.g. a "wah wah" or filter cutoff by tilting forward or sideways, are novel and fascinating - but I don't expect I'll see much use out of any of that. I'm getting a digital accordion, I want it to sound like an accordion. I'm one of those who finds it rather jarring when non-accordion sounds issue from an accordion-looking instrument. All the more so if the sounds don't even sound realistic to the instruments they're trying to sound like. Maybe if I'm playing something jazzy I might add some chorus or even some wah, but I expect it'll be quite the rare occurrance. Maybe I could be induced to put some soft-and-mild string backdrop behind the accordion sound, but that's about it. The instrument's inginuity and flexibility as a "synthesizer" are truly fascinating, but also not really something I anticipate finding much use for.
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