Korg FISA SUPREMA

[breezybellows]

the Sensei does teach and explain what is BEHIND a move
or a sequence or a philosophy, because to understand is to
improve your ability and skill.. any mindless savage can improve
from repetition alone, but will they ever truly get beyond average ?


here is a what if..
if they make a full disclosure so that everyone can know for sure
what was done and then we all shake our heads yes, we agree that's
gotta be the solution, we understand it now..
AND THEN
a month from now someone rips a Fisa in two on a gig
the general public would probably be able to go back to
the drawing board with KORG and try try again

but if

all we get is a pat on the head and then
a month from now someone rips a Fisa in two on a gig
the product will be dead.. period.. dead

They’re not in the business of teaching customers how to design accordions.

What matters is whether the fix actually works.
If someone manages to break the accordion again in a few months, that will seriously damage customer confidence.
A detailed explanation of the fix won’t reassure potential buyers if the product still fails.
No one’s going to say, “Great, now we’ll get another video about fixing the fix.”

 

[Dingo40]

Whilst musing on the subject of this thread today, I had a glance at what's holding my today's accordion together: there are 7 approximately 2 mm diameter bellows pins on the bass side and 6 on the treble side.
That's a lot of mild steel!
So far, they have done their job without any fuss for 50+ years.
How hard is that?
To paraphrase:
Anyone can make an accordion that holds together, but it takes an engineer to design one that only just holds together!

 

[debra]

Whilst musing on the subject of this thread today, I had a glance at what's holding my today's accordion together: there are 7 approximately 2 mm diameter bellows pins on the bass side and 6 on the treble side.
That's a lot of mild steel!
...

The amazing part of why bellow pins work is that the wood does not split despite the holes for the bellow pins being close to the edge. Wood is the amazing material that makes it work. The direction of the grain in the wood is the key part. Cut the wood in a different direction and it would split open easily. With a plastic accordion body there is no strong versus weak direction so it's harder to make the connection strong with bellow pins.

 

[Dingo40]

so it's harder to make the connection strong with bellow pins.

So, could a border zone of the end boxes be reinforced with e.g. a layer of Kevlar?
I once needed to refurbish a battered, pressed-cardboard, accordion carry case that was coming apart at the seams. Cardboard, like plastic, has no grain and little tensile strength.
I reinforced all the weak sections ( inside and out) using some strips of gabardine cloth affixed with an acrylic based glue.
Re-lining the inside of the case with a new layer of wool felt also helped!
I've had no trouble since (20 years)

 

[debra]

So, could a border zone of the end boxes be reinforced with e.g. a layer of Kevlar?
I once needed to refurbish a pressed-cardboard accordion case that was coming apart at the seams. Cardboard, like plastic, has no grain and little tensile strength.
I reinforced all the weak sections ( inside and out) using some strips of gabardine cloth affixed with an acrylic based glue.
Re-lining the inside of the case with a new layer of wool felt also helped!
I've had no trouble since (20 years)

Anything thin and strong should do. I was thinking of 0,5mm aluminium, and if you use a long strip all around it should be possible to apply a glue that's strong enough to actually reinforce the areas around the holes without it slipping.
Note that both the treble (or bass) case and the bellows-rim should be strong, so just reinforcing one and not the other may not be good enough.

 

[Giovanni]

The amazing part of why bellow pins work is that the wood does not split despite the holes for the bellow pins being close to the edge. Wood is the amazing material that makes it work. The direction of the grain in the wood is the key part. Cut the wood in a different direction and it would split open easily. With a plastic accordion body there is no strong versus weak direction so it's harder to make the connection strong with bellow pins.

Thanks for sharing ....You can learn something New every day on this forum !!...................its like being back at school ...
it's always teaching me a lesson

 

[Jose EB5AGV]

This thing I fixed yesterday can be a sample of how stronger is metal than plastic... I know it is a cheap stapler and probably not worth the time, but my father told me: "this have just disassembled and can't put it back"

So, being his, I made a repair which seems to work:





I hope you see what I did, drilling an small hole and then inserting a metal part (scrapped from an electronic component), heating it so it got fixed and thus replacing a tiny plastic part which had broken. I guess it won't break again at that point!

 

[John M]

The amazing part of why bellow pins work is that the wood does not split despite the holes for the bellow pins being close to the edge. Wood is the amazing material that makes it work. The direction of the grain in the wood is the key part. Cut the wood in a different direction and it would split open easily. With a plastic accordion body there is no strong versus weak direction so it's harder to make the connection strong with bellow pins.

Amazing point. I never thought about the bellows pins being so close to the edge. If the wood grain was parallel with the bellows folds, I believe, the accordion would fall apart immediately with a small "hard pull".
John
P.S. I love everything about wood. I burn it for heating, I cut it, I split it--it warms me many times in the process. I have it all throughout my house -- all oak trim, wood beams in the living room ceiling, etc.

 

[JerryPH]

Linda Herman's been busy doing little Facebook live shows with her Korg.

 

[JerryPH]

Something interesting... Luigi Bruti is releasing g a VST.

Luigi Bruti

🎹 Something new is coming… Born from Italian passion for sound: T2L Piano, the very first DEXIBELL VST plug-in. 🎧 Incredible realism. True responsiveness. Note by note. 📅 Available online in a few...

www.facebook.com

 

[EuroFolker]

Something interesting... Luigi Bruti is releasing g a VST.

Luigi Bruti

🎹 Something new is coming… Born from Italian passion for sound: T2L Piano, the very first DEXIBELL VST plug-in. 🎧 Incredible realism. True responsiveness. Note by note. 📅 Available online in a few...

www.facebook.com

The guy behind the fanatically supported, continuously developed and highly useful Xmure soft arranger? Just take my money already!

 

[JerryPH]

The guy behind the fanatically supported, continuously developed and highly useful Xmure soft arranger? Just take my money already!

Well, I was not aware that he was in any way involved with the XMURE software arranger et al, but, yeah, I suppose so... lol

 

[Tom]

The Xmure arranger software loooks interesting. Seems like it is for iPhone or iPad. Has anyone tried it?

 

[JerryPH]

About 8 years ago, Linda Herman did:





The app looks to be near free, but you pay for each pattern. I don't think it for me, but some people may enjoy it.

 

[Tom]

About 8 years ago, Linda Herman did:





The app looks to be near free, but you pay for each pattern. I don't think it for me, but some people may enjoy it.

Looks like maybe 3 free styles to test it out. I think I would have to find a new cord for the iPhone but worth a try at some point…. Thanks Jerry!

 

[EuroFolker]

It looks like the app has been silently discontinued. It will not start unless I turn off wifi. Once it starts with the wifi off, there is only 1 pattern (I had bought several, with the free ones there should be at least 10 on the list). "Restore purchases" with the wifi back on does nothing. Same thing on multiple iOS devices. I spent around $75 CAD a few months back to unlock all features, and now this. Not that this was a very good app anyways.

Keep this in mind when dealing with Dexibell, who are behind this (paid) app.

 

[Ventura]

....It will not start unless I turn off wifi. Once it starts with the wifi off, there is only 1 pattern.

after reading up and considering their claim the app is using
real audio sounds not MIDI and considering the size of
(similar) audio "fonts" like in Band in a Box there would be no way
to fit this stuff on your phone or tablet (after purchase) so it
is likely literally EVERYTHING is streamed to you when you need it
as you need it

so the app, like most others today, is gonna "phone home"
everytime you open it, bring it to the foreground, or allow
it to run in the background.. if it is not connected to the Internet,
it may have some basic functionality, as other apps typically do,
but few apps today.. even a simple "simulated bubble level" or a
full screen clock app (used to turn old tablets into big clocks
older eyes could easily see) nowadays balks if it doesn't detect
the internet and at least check for updates

so i suggest you log in directly to your account with Dexibell,
that you created when you bought it.. it may be as simple a thing
as them upping their security to more complex passwords, and
you missed the message to update yours, so your app isn't getting
a handshake anymore when it phones home..

good luck

 

[KeysFla]

Any software usage, once it gets loaded with more sounds or styles as in this case, will bog it down. I think I would try to clear out the cache on the iPhone periodically. Apps that first appear to be free is not the ones to get. Always be cautious…

Clear your cache and cookies on iPhone

Learn how to erase your browsing history to clear the cache in Safari on iPhone.

support.apple.com

 

[EuroFolker]

after reading up and considering their claim the app is using
real audio sounds not MIDI and considering the size of
(similar) audio "fonts" like in Band in a Box there would be no way
to fit this stuff on your phone or tablet (after purchase) so it
is likely literally EVERYTHING is streamed to you when you need it
as you need it

so the app, like most others today, is gonna "phone home"
everytime you open it, bring it to the foreground, or allow
it to run in the background.. if it is not connected to the Internet,
it may have some basic functionality, as other apps typically do,
but few apps today.. even a simple "simulated bubble level" or a
full screen clock app (used to turn old tablets into big clocks
older eyes could easily see) nowadays balks if it doesn't detect
the internet and at least check for updates

so i suggest you log in directly to your account with Dexibell,
that you created when you bought it.. it may be as simple a thing
as them upping their security to more complex passwords, and
you missed the message to update yours, so your app isn't getting
a handshake anymore when it phones home..

good luck

Ventura, what is up with the constant need to write long paragraphs, and be all-knowing about the majority of topics here? In this case you don't have any direct experience with the product in question, and are writing a bunch of speculative nonsense (like you often do). Not meant to offend, just a sincere response to you.

 

[Ventura]

what is up

oh this is an easy one to answer

your wish is granted, i will never again read your posts,
consider trying to assist when you have a problem unsolved,
or comment on them..

this is possible because of the ignore user button on yours and my
profile..

i have clicked on yours