Ketron live EVM Event
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KeysFla
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What I found interesting, Paul mentioned the iPad Pro can connect wirelessly. Verses getting extra video touchscreen…
I keep seeing huge advantages in a keyboardist being able to free up the left hand to play with the settings, play with the portamento or make changes to voice selection all mid-song and many other things.
Realistically, how much could an accordionist copy these moves/changes? It sounds good, but IMHO an accordionist cannot and never will have that level of freedom, and if one removes that from the picture, we are seeing a lot of the shiney stuff disappear.
So, does that mean that it is not for accordionists? Nah, not really. Assuming you like the sounds in addition to the accordion, yes there are many things that an accordionist will not be able to do, but the sounds/styles are all there and **IF** this is your thing, can make a single person sound like many... which, in the end, is what is the true end goal of using an arranger.
One had better be VERY technically comfortable, able to devote a lot of time for programming the songs to sound as they want, a great ear and be not too shabby a player, becuase an aranger won't make a bad accordionist good.
Finally, there is also the danger of being too reliant on the tech. I make it a BIG point to not play my arrangers on more than perhaps 20% of my music. Making it a 50/50 thing would not be a bad idea for sure, because what if you are asking to turn off all that tech... and just PLAY?
I also now see one big challenge if I wanted to go this direction... I would now need TWO iPads, one for the music and one for the control surface of the arranger... thats a lot of complexity to add (not surprisingly, its not something that I would be afraid of... lol)
Realistically, how much could an accordionist copy these moves/changes? It sounds good, but IMHO an accordionist cannot and never will have that level of freedom, and if one removes that from the picture, we are seeing a lot of the shiney stuff disappear.
So, does that mean that it is not for accordionists? Nah, not really. Assuming you like the sounds in addition to the accordion, yes there are many things that an accordionist will not be able to do, but the sounds/styles are all there and **IF** this is your thing, can make a single person sound like many... which, in the end, is what is the true end goal of using an arranger.
One had better be VERY technically comfortable, able to devote a lot of time for programming the songs to sound as they want, a great ear and be not too shabby a player, becuase an aranger won't make a bad accordionist good.
Finally, there is also the danger of being too reliant on the tech. I make it a BIG point to not play my arrangers on more than perhaps 20% of my music. Making it a 50/50 thing would not be a bad idea for sure, because what if you are asking to turn off all that tech... and just PLAY?
I also now see one big challenge if I wanted to go this direction... I would now need TWO iPads, one for the music and one for the control surface of the arranger... thats a lot of complexity to add (not surprisingly, its not something that I would be afraid of... lol)
KeysFla
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Why have a control surface while performing with this arranger module? If you have your songs registered numbers properly mixed, then no need to touch the arranger surface controls. It is very unprofessional seeing musicians always touching knobs on there equipment during a live performance. I can see myself on a gig with one mic stand, mounting mic, a platform for EVM and iPad holder. Have pedals to control arranger. But prefer wireless everything. Now will stay with Korg. The pa1000 is very lightweight. When I get my FISA C, I will be able to control the arranger from the accordion buttons. A big plus and more compacted…this is a new direction and watching developments with the Xmure application. As it is mentioned that the FISA Suprema has direct control…I keep seeing huge advantages in a keyboardist being able to free up the left hand to play with the settings, play with the portamento or make changes to voice selection all mid-song and many other things.
Realistically, how much could an accordionist copy these moves/changes? It sounds good, but IMHO an accordionist cannot and never will have that level of freedom, and if one removes that from the picture, we are seeing a lot of the shiney stuff disappear.
So, does that mean that it is not for accordionists? Nah, not really. Assuming you like the sounds in addition to the accordion, yes there are many things that an accordionist will not be able to do, but the sounds/styles are all there and **IF** this is your thing, can make a single person sound like many... which, in the end, is what is the true end goal of using an arranger.
One had better be VERY technically comfortable, able to devote a lot of time for programming the songs to sound as they want, a great ear and be not too shabby a player, becuase an aranger won't make a bad accordionist good.
Finally, there is also the danger of being too reliant on the tech. I make it a BIG point to not play my arrangers on more than perhaps 20% of my music. Making it a 50/50 thing would not be a bad idea for sure, because what if you are asking to turn off all that tech... and just PLAY?
I also now see one big challenge if I wanted to go this direction... I would now need TWO iPads, one for the music and one for the control surface of the arranger... thats a lot of complexity to add (not surprisingly, its not something that I would be afraid of... lol)
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... an yet with EVERY demo we see them making those changes mid-song... I'm not taking changing tempo, changing rhythm (though that too would be cool, I have several songs I will never be able to do on any of the arrangers I have EASILY because they start as a polka, move to a waltz and then back to a Polka), there are no easy ways to change right and left hand instruments randomly on the fly without hitting the control surface.
I know you will say that we don't really need to be doing this... but the keyboardists can and will do this, and we cannot, at least not as easily.
As far as what you will be able to control on the arranger from the Korg, I am very eager to see what and how far you will be able to control it from the accordion control surface. If anyone can it would be you... now if you will be able to change instrument , group and select a specific instrument on the fly (ie playing piano to strings, and then choose a specific sound), that would be incredible.
If so, I know you will also likely make a ton of videos to show these new possibilites an break some seriously new and exciting realms.
Yes I agree with you Keysfla , I've seen many keyboard players constantly fiddling with the keyboard controls tweak this touch that it gets on my nerves !!................I use the panel registrations 1--thro...8 As instructed by top Yamaha Demonstrators ! panel reg 8 is always the ending . if using the accomps from my module for a tune .obviously my left hand is triggering the chord changes as required .
My right hand is playing the treble keyboard !! for the tune ......
At no time during a performance do i fiddle and twiddle the knobs etc ... all registration changes are smooth and effortless changes activated by my foot advancing the registration from 1 to 8 . via foot pedal.
I must admit over the years I have lots styles and registrations all saved and named so finding my stuff is easy ...it is a discipline i would encourage any player ...performing in public to use...this method / approach..............in my many saved libraries on my USB sticks .....plus all have been backed up to various USB sticks (never rely on just one spare back up stick) and also saved on my laptop all ready to go on any of my little gigs . With my PSR 3000 module .it takes me seconds to find the next tune to play !!! everything is ready to go !!
if I ever get back to my little gigs my stuff is all good to go .........the only problem is I'm not sure I'm ready to go ....ha ha
PS I also use a Volume control pedal..................
PSS...this is another reason why at my age and time of life it would not be easy to change to another / latest type of accomps module
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KeysFla
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Your videos shows well how you changed registrations on the FR8x when selecting a new song on IPad. Which I think might be easier on Korg FISA since it deals with more simple program and Control change messages. I think I am going to do the same, on my FR4x then later with the FISA C. For some reason when I get a new instrument, I tend to work harder on what I have. Do I need a FISA, probably not. But after over seven years of hard usage (like a car), could involve some repairs or replacement of contacts maybe. But the Roland rules in my book and hope to generate my own comparison when I receive the FISA C.... an yet with EVERY demo we see them making those changes mid-song... I'm not taking changing tempo, changing rhythm (though that too would be cool, I have several songs I will never be able to do on any of the arrangers I have EASILY because they start as a polka, move to a waltz and then back to a Polka), there are no easy ways to change right and left hand instruments randomly on the fly without hitting the control surface.
I know you will say that we don't really need to be doing this... but the keyboardists can and will do this, and we cannot, at least not as easily.
As far as what you will be able to control on the arranger from the Korg, I am very eager to see what and how far you will be able to control it from the accordion control surface. If anyone can it would be you... now if you will be able to change instrument , group and select a specific instrument on the fly (ie playing piano to strings, and then choose a specific sound), that would be incredible.
If so, I know you will also likely make a ton of videos to show these new possibilites a break some seriously new and exciting realms.
Yes, we had that nice talk about that, I was surprised at first, but it makes complete sense. Do you have a shipping or arrival date yet?
KeysFla
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I used a psr450 for ten years. But was not playing an accordion at the time in the 90s. I still think the psr series had some great sounds and styles…
KeysFla
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So far May 20th. Not sure if anyone received this model yet?…getting my video gear together. As we spoke, will need your expert advice on getting good audio quality…
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Well done Paul for the good demo .. of the Ketron it has huge potential and gr8 sounds .
I've seen and met you several times at the Norwich organ club and of course at the organ festivals at Caister on sea in Norfolk .
you always put on a good show .. you have to Ask Pam to book you to show your Ketron set up to our club members at one of our Club concert nights !!
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