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I am looking for some info on the Hohner Musette 1V accordion. The Hohner list on here shows only the Musette 11 model.
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Hohner musette 1V
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Well to be certain wed prob need to see a pic of the model youre talking about - is it on eBay?
This one?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Accordion...981927?hash=item44008c7827:g:el4AAOSwDKtY2BXP
A link would suffice, but Ill guess its a Verdi Musette IV - some of which show the Verdi IV name and some showed Musette IV. Why? Dont know. Mr Allodi says they are the same including tuning if standard (ie not special order or altered).
There is an earlier Swiss made model than the one above that was the same ie Verdi but badged Musette IV.
Edit: Corrected Aloddi - respect :tup:
This one?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Accordion...981927?hash=item44008c7827:g:el4AAOSwDKtY2BXP
A link would suffice, but Ill guess its a Verdi Musette IV - some of which show the Verdi IV name and some showed Musette IV. Why? Dont know. Mr Allodi says they are the same including tuning if standard (ie not special order or altered).
There is an earlier Swiss made model than the one above that was the same ie Verdi but badged Musette IV.
Edit: Corrected Aloddi - respect :tup:
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Yes, that is the exact one I am thinking of buying.
I was just wondering if it could be determined whether or not it was manufactured in Germany and when.
I have seen some Hohner Musettes played on Youtube and I do like the sound. However, the sound doesn't seem to change much on different registrations.
I was just wondering if it could be determined whether or not it was manufactured in Germany and when.
I have seen some Hohner Musettes played on Youtube and I do like the sound. However, the sound doesn't seem to change much on different registrations.
I believe that is German made 1980s model - definitely not Chinese if that's what you mean, typical Verdi look with the Gola type rocker switches. They can last a lifetime or more if not abused. If it's in good playable condition I'd say that is a fair to good price - I've seen nice described ones go for 50% more.
BUT I'd want to see that one in the flesh: In my experience corroded bellows corners is an indicator of poor storage for longer than a few months.
I'd want to make sure the registers change smoothly, no corrosion on the reeds/ bass mechanism /insides, plays in tune (should do if recently serviced) and it doesn't smell mouldy.
So I'd audition it if it was local - I personally wouldn't buy it at distance.. you also have the additional risk of damage in transit. Just my self imposed diligence.. you may think differently.
PS welcome to the forum.
BUT I'd want to see that one in the flesh: In my experience corroded bellows corners is an indicator of poor storage for longer than a few months.
I'd want to make sure the registers change smoothly, no corrosion on the reeds/ bass mechanism /insides, plays in tune (should do if recently serviced) and it doesn't smell mouldy.
So I'd audition it if it was local - I personally wouldn't buy it at distance.. you also have the additional risk of damage in transit. Just my self imposed diligence.. you may think differently.
PS welcome to the forum.
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Wirral Accordionist,
I love that musette sound, especially for Parisian Café music. It is just so ethereal.
I'm sure that the Hohner you mention is a good instrument, which would serve you very well for many years, but I happen to know that The Accordion Shop in Rochdale has a musette tuned 120/41 E.Soprani for sale at the moment.
This is not an attempt to influence your decision at all; merely a pointer to other options in case the Hohner is not quite what you want. Please keep us informed of developments.
I love that musette sound, especially for Parisian Café music. It is just so ethereal.
I'm sure that the Hohner you mention is a good instrument, which would serve you very well for many years, but I happen to know that The Accordion Shop in Rochdale has a musette tuned 120/41 E.Soprani for sale at the moment.
This is not an attempt to influence your decision at all; merely a pointer to other options in case the Hohner is not quite what you want. Please keep us informed of developments.
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Hi Stephen,
Thanks for the heads up. That model is just over my budget but the Sonola 460 looks a real possibility.
I prefer a 72 or 96 bass but these are rarely tuned to musette/wet tuned and I guess there aren't as many to start with.
Phil
Thanks for the heads up. That model is just over my budget but the Sonola 460 looks a real possibility.
I prefer a 72 or 96 bass but these are rarely tuned to musette/wet tuned and I guess there aren't as many to start with.
Phil
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Hi Phil,
The Sonola has a wonderful sound. I have heard a few played, and am always impressed by their tonal quality. The musette tuned E.Soprani was in the second hand section, and seemed quite reasonably priced.
I know just what you mean about the 72 Bass. They are big enough for what I need at the moment, especially as I am no longer in the first flushes of youth.
Stephen.
The Sonola has a wonderful sound. I have heard a few played, and am always impressed by their tonal quality. The musette tuned E.Soprani was in the second hand section, and seemed quite reasonably priced.
I know just what you mean about the 72 Bass. They are big enough for what I need at the moment, especially as I am no longer in the first flushes of youth.
Stephen.
Stephen Hawkins
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Phil,
I am wondering whether or not you want a musette tuned instrument in addition to your current double octave tuned one, or if you are just looking for a double octave instrument with a "near as damn it" key changer.
Please don't be offended by this, but the Accordion Shop has a Musette Tuned 96 Bass Chanson for sale. List is £480, but it has been reduced to £399. The Chanson isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I play one every day. Anyway, have a listen to it ....... you may be surprised.
I am wondering whether or not you want a musette tuned instrument in addition to your current double octave tuned one, or if you are just looking for a double octave instrument with a "near as damn it" key changer.
Please don't be offended by this, but the Accordion Shop has a Musette Tuned 96 Bass Chanson for sale. List is £480, but it has been reduced to £399. The Chanson isn't everyone's cup of tea, but I play one every day. Anyway, have a listen to it ....... you may be surprised.
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Hi Stephen,
By double octave do you mean any accordion with both low and high reed, e.g. LMH or LMMH? I am looking for a minimum of MMM to get the true musette.
Kind Regards,
Phil
By double octave do you mean any accordion with both low and high reed, e.g. LMH or LMMH? I am looking for a minimum of MMM to get the true musette.
Kind Regards,
Phil
Stephen Hawkins
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Phil,
Some accordions, as I understand it, are able to play an approximation of musette. It is not a "true" musette, but something approaching it.
Other accordions are musette tuned at the factory, which sort of implies that a "normal" double octave doesn't produce a true musette sound.
Something like a Sonola 5 voice "Festival" with 13 key changers can do the lot, being capable of both musette & double octave.
My take on this is that, if you want to play Parisian Café Music and Jazz, you probably need two instruments.
I play a bit of Edith Piaf myself, but can really only get fairly close to musette. It is not ideal, and I will eventually buy a proper musette tuned instrument.
Unlike many on this forum, I quite like Chinese instruments. You can listen to the 96 Bass Musette Chanson on The Accordion Shop website, and it doesn't sound too ghastly. Where else are you going to get a 96 Bass instrument, with a 3 year guarantee, for under £400, delivered???
My own Chanson is getting on a bit, but still works perfectly well.
Kind Regards,
Stephen.
Some accordions, as I understand it, are able to play an approximation of musette. It is not a "true" musette, but something approaching it.
Other accordions are musette tuned at the factory, which sort of implies that a "normal" double octave doesn't produce a true musette sound.
Something like a Sonola 5 voice "Festival" with 13 key changers can do the lot, being capable of both musette & double octave.
My take on this is that, if you want to play Parisian Café Music and Jazz, you probably need two instruments.
I play a bit of Edith Piaf myself, but can really only get fairly close to musette. It is not ideal, and I will eventually buy a proper musette tuned instrument.
Unlike many on this forum, I quite like Chinese instruments. You can listen to the 96 Bass Musette Chanson on The Accordion Shop website, and it doesn't sound too ghastly. Where else are you going to get a 96 Bass instrument, with a 3 year guarantee, for under £400, delivered???
My own Chanson is getting on a bit, but still works perfectly well.
Kind Regards,
Stephen.
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Still not quite sure of the definition of double octave. Would another way of defining it be to say that LM or MH is single octave and LH is double octave.
That would make LMMMH all embracing incorporating true musette AND double octave.
That is of course if such accordions are manufactured.
Then the sound can be determined by choice of register.
As Stephen says two separate accordions may be some people's preference, one for each sound.
Incidentally, it is implied above that jazz is played on double octave but would not LMM be OK?
That would make LMMMH all embracing incorporating true musette AND double octave.
That is of course if such accordions are manufactured.
Then the sound can be determined by choice of register.
As Stephen says two separate accordions may be some people's preference, one for each sound.
Incidentally, it is implied above that jazz is played on double octave but would not LMM be OK?
L to M is one octave; M-H is another octave.. so double octave spans two octaves in the treble VOICES. LMMM doesn't.
LMMMH accordions DO exist in good numbers (heavy though) - musette & double octave.
You'll get used to the names people use to describe the specs.
LMMMH accordions DO exist in good numbers (heavy though) - musette & double octave.
You'll get used to the names people use to describe the specs.
Stephen Hawkins
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Hello Phil,
Intriguing subject, isn't it? The whole thing hinges on whether or not you want two instruments in your stable.
If you are very happy with your current instrument, logic would seem to dictate that you also acquire a musette tuned accordion to satisfy your desires. On the other hand, if you are not entirely happy with your instrument, perhaps you could trade it in toward a single accordion with all the whistles & bells.
Please keep us informed of your progress in this matter. Also, if you wouldn't mind, I would love to know what sort of music you intend to play on your musette accordion.
Stephen.
Intriguing subject, isn't it? The whole thing hinges on whether or not you want two instruments in your stable.
If you are very happy with your current instrument, logic would seem to dictate that you also acquire a musette tuned accordion to satisfy your desires. On the other hand, if you are not entirely happy with your instrument, perhaps you could trade it in toward a single accordion with all the whistles & bells.
Please keep us informed of your progress in this matter. Also, if you wouldn't mind, I would love to know what sort of music you intend to play on your musette accordion.
Stephen.
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Hi Stephen,
I currently have my eye on a Sonola Sorbonne 3 on Ebay but am debating whether it is worth the travel down to Surrey from Wirral.
I have started on the Jazz Improvisation course by Amigo Tomasi but TBH it is way over my head. I would be very happy to be able to play the original pieces WITHOUT trying to improvise on them! I also do like the music played on Youtube by Basil Bunelink which is more achievable and seems to be mainly musette and "swing" tuning.
BTW the PA I am using at the moment is a 80 bass Parrot LMMH.
Thanks for your interest.
Phil
I currently have my eye on a Sonola Sorbonne 3 on Ebay but am debating whether it is worth the travel down to Surrey from Wirral.
I have started on the Jazz Improvisation course by Amigo Tomasi but TBH it is way over my head. I would be very happy to be able to play the original pieces WITHOUT trying to improvise on them! I also do like the music played on Youtube by Basil Bunelink which is more achievable and seems to be mainly musette and "swing" tuning.
BTW the PA I am using at the moment is a 80 bass Parrot LMMH.
Thanks for your interest.
Phil
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Hi Stephen,
I did look at the Chanson. It is 72 bass and appears to be MMM, i.e. no L or H, which would make it "no octave" I guess!!
Phil
I did look at the Chanson. It is 72 bass and appears to be MMM, i.e. no L or H, which would make it "no octave" I guess!!
Phil
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Sorry, it is 96 bass as you say.
Stephen Hawkins
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Hello Phil,
I have little knowledge of the Parrot Accordion, except what I have read on these pages. They look okay, and some people view them in a favourable light.
There is a second hand 120 Bass, five voice, Sonola Festival for sale at The Accordion Shop in Rochdale. It is (from memory) £1,750, but plays both musette & double octave. It is too rich for a poor old pensioner such as myself, unless my lottery numbers come up. (I won £6.60p last night)
What did you think of the 96 Bass Chanson? I was toying with the idea of buying it myself, but I have just been offered a 120 Bass instrument through a friend of a friend. I may buy that instead ... who knows?
I do not usually deviate much when playing a tune, but I do like to play in my own "style". This is not, strictly speaking, improvisation, but a form of self expression. I look on it as putting a bit of myself into a piece of music.
Some of the 40's stuff I play may be considered to be jazz, but I don't view it as such. I like to think of it as "popular" music (rather than pop music) and am happy to discuss definitions.
Again, please keep me informed of your progress. I hope you find the right instrument very soon.
Kind Regards,
Stephen.
I have little knowledge of the Parrot Accordion, except what I have read on these pages. They look okay, and some people view them in a favourable light.
There is a second hand 120 Bass, five voice, Sonola Festival for sale at The Accordion Shop in Rochdale. It is (from memory) £1,750, but plays both musette & double octave. It is too rich for a poor old pensioner such as myself, unless my lottery numbers come up. (I won £6.60p last night)
What did you think of the 96 Bass Chanson? I was toying with the idea of buying it myself, but I have just been offered a 120 Bass instrument through a friend of a friend. I may buy that instead ... who knows?
I do not usually deviate much when playing a tune, but I do like to play in my own "style". This is not, strictly speaking, improvisation, but a form of self expression. I look on it as putting a bit of myself into a piece of music.
Some of the 40's stuff I play may be considered to be jazz, but I don't view it as such. I like to think of it as "popular" music (rather than pop music) and am happy to discuss definitions.
Again, please keep me informed of your progress. I hope you find the right instrument very soon.
Kind Regards,
Stephen.
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Hi Stephen,
The problem with the Chanson is, IMHO, that to accompany singing you have to play at the bottom end of the treble scale which is more painful to the arm/hand/wrist ( whatever ). I suppose this will be the case for any MMM accordion. Also, I am a little put off by the fact that this particular instrument has been in the shop for at least two years. You will see this by doing a google search. I wonder why it hasn't sold after 2 years.
A google search on the Sonola Sorbonne 3 revealed that one was on offer at an auction 2 years ago at a lot price of £260. It could have been the same one as is on Ebay. Anyway it leads me to the conclusion that £1100 is a little steep.
Phil
The problem with the Chanson is, IMHO, that to accompany singing you have to play at the bottom end of the treble scale which is more painful to the arm/hand/wrist ( whatever ). I suppose this will be the case for any MMM accordion. Also, I am a little put off by the fact that this particular instrument has been in the shop for at least two years. You will see this by doing a google search. I wonder why it hasn't sold after 2 years.
A google search on the Sonola Sorbonne 3 revealed that one was on offer at an auction 2 years ago at a lot price of £260. It could have been the same one as is on Ebay. Anyway it leads me to the conclusion that £1100 is a little steep.
Phil
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Hi Phil,
It's back to the drawing board, I guess.
I can't think why the Chanson has remained unsold for so long, and can only suggest that you ring Peter at Rochdale. He's a nice guy, and will give you straight and honest answers to any questions you may have. It may well be that Peter can suggest an elegant solution to your problem.
Stephen.
It's back to the drawing board, I guess.
I can't think why the Chanson has remained unsold for so long, and can only suggest that you ring Peter at Rochdale. He's a nice guy, and will give you straight and honest answers to any questions you may have. It may well be that Peter can suggest an elegant solution to your problem.
Stephen.
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Hi Stephen,
Well, according to their web site it is in their clearance sale and has been traded in and therefore hasn't got the 3 year guarantee.
I suppose that you would expect some sort of guarantee when you buy from an accordion shop, otherwise you might as well buy on E bay. This is probably why they can't sell it.
Yes, still looking.
Phil
Well, according to their web site it is in their clearance sale and has been traded in and therefore hasn't got the 3 year guarantee.
I suppose that you would expect some sort of guarantee when you buy from an accordion shop, otherwise you might as well buy on E bay. This is probably why they can't sell it.
Yes, still looking.
Phil
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