FR4x Right Hand Drum sounds

[accordion.andy]

When I turn on the drums button, the right-hand piano keyboard turns into drums sounds. Is there a way to toggle that feature off?

It is only happening on one of my sets.

 

[Ventura]

i guess i don't really understand what your issue is

you have 100 sets, just use one of the 99 other sets
or
press the drum button again and turn the drum sounds off on that 1 set

if there is stuff in sets or user programs that you don't care for,
you make your own, or make changes to make them suit you, and overwrite
the stuff you don't like with stuff you do like

 

[accordion.andy]

Thanks for your reply. I was just wondering if there was some undocumented toggle that turns the right-hand keyboard into a drum set that I have somehow triggered with this set.

I press the drum button expecting to get the percussion sounds in the Bass/Chords, but instead, the whole keyboard turns into a drum set.

No big worries if there is no such toggle. I can use other sets.

Thanks,

 

[JerryPH]

Install the Roland editor, check out the settings of the offending set, disable if you need to, save it… done.

 

[Tom]

Please pardon my ignorance, but how do you do that? Get the drums in the right hand I mean????? I didn't think it was possible.

 

[Ventura]

had a few minutes last night so i looked at the FR4x on the Editor
and looked to see if there was a drum patch somewhere hidden in the mapped
area from the expansion packs as well as the factory available orchestral
and i could not find one (other than the few like Timpani)

if you export that set and upload it here or send it to me i will examine it
and try to figure it out.. of course there is a full GM set hidden in the
roland chipset, but it is not directly accessible using the controls
allowed by the roland interface. I am guessing somehow someone
figured out a way around that to point to a drum mapped patch

of course any MIDI keyboard (set to channel 10 usually) can be used to
control one of the many Drum Set's that are mapped across the scale
according to the GM MIDI specifications and then "play" the drums

 

[Chris Laarman]

had a few minutes last night so i looked at the FR4x on the Editor
and looked to see if there was a drum patch somewhere hidden in the mapped
area from the expansion packs as well as the factory available orchestral
and i could not find one (other than the few like Timpani)

if you export that set and upload it here or send it to me i will examine it
and try to figure it out.. of course there is a full GM set hidden in the
roland chipset, but it is not directly accessible using the controls
allowed by the roland interface. I am guessing somehow someone
figured out a way around that to point to a drum mapped patch

of course any MIDI keyboard (set to channel 10 usually) can be used to
control one of the many Drum Set's that are mapped across the scale
according to the GM MIDI specifications and then "play" the drums

Yes, MIDI-channel 10 usually is the Drums channel. (From memory, questionable: there is some "Drums" attribute that can be set and reset for each channel. However, you'll regret tinkering with that convention.) It may date back to Roland's MT-32 module and times when channels 11..16 weren't used yet.

 

[Ventura]

channel 13 sort of got "standardized" also, as the chord channel commonly used
for triggering vocoder and other similar type modules with built in TC-Electronics stuff..

some MIDI files you find in the wild have chord changes (at zero volume) on track 13

 

[accordion.andy]

Here is the set file.

Thanks for looking at this.

 

[Ventura]

ok

i loaded the set in question into the editor

someone somewhere sometime loaded the CONCERTO set (stock number 20)
and began editing it

after a thorough examination, and comparison to an original CONCERTO set 20,
other than some volume settings being tweaked on the chord registers, there
is only one significant difference

on the tweaked "CONCERTO set
if you look closely, you will notice, upon pressing the treble orch. switch,
opening the list of available sounds, there is now an additional one that is
in the listing above #1 (Piano)
it simply reads "not found" and this is the default for the set (highlighted)
if you shift to a different ORCH sound, you cannot then go back to "not found"

(DO NOT write the set or save it unless you WANT to lose the error)
also, if you test this, simply switching to a different set then back does not overwrite
or reset, you need to turn the FR4x off then on again and then reload this
errant "Concerto" set into the editor to see "not found" again

opening the ORCH list under the stock CONCERTO set, #1 is first
and there is no way possible to go UP to force or find this "not found" position

conclusion: for now, i would say the editor of this set once had an orchestral
sound .bin loaded and pointed his ORCH to that, but on your FR4x (and mine)
that specific .bin file is NOT LOADED in one of the 4 memory slots

therefore, the set is forced into an error mode, which apparently points to
this "not found" notice

the result of this (happily for some) is that there is now one full MIDI Drum
file MAPPED onto the Treble Keyboard by default, and for some reason, this error forces
it to an "on" state when you press the left hand section "drum" switch

this is no different than sending your MIDI out through a MIDI cable to a
GM Midi Sound Module and pointing to one of the many standard DRUM kits
that are included in the MIDI Spec.. these drum kits have the different drumset
sounds mapped each to a different key/note and is very useful for tapping out
a rhythm into a MIDI file with a keyboard instead of a Drum or pad interface

so it is a happy error, and may be of some use to you or someone else with a 4x

if you would prefer an unedited CONCERTO.set from the original programming,
i can upload one

i will look into this issue further, but for now this is my report

 

[Ventura]

so Andy, did you buy your 4x used ?

any idea where this oddity came from and if there are
other edited/tweaked set on your box ?

 

[accordion.andy]

Hi, I bought this box used a few weeks ago. It came with the factory presets. I have been tinkering with 4 or 5 of my own custom sets trying to customize the accordion to my liking.

I think this set might have come from my Fr1xb. The FR4x editor lets me import .ST3 files and I was playing around with this feature at some point. I probably will overwrite this particular set and move on.

 

[Ventura]

ok

so the .st3 file likely pointed to some location in GM that is not directly
addressable in the 4x

that could be, as the 4x does not use the GM map directly, but re-routes
the GM through an extended table

the 3x and 1x addressed GM directly

the interesting default error that resulted could be very useful
if one is writing a drum track for a tune

don't worry too much about messing things up because
you can save sets or UPG's that turn out good as well
as global so if you need to factory reset 4 or 5 times until
you get really good at it, no big deal.. i've had to reset different
synths over and over during learning curves

it was interesting trying to figure this out

 

[Chris Laarman]

ok

i loaded the set in question into the editor

someone somewhere sometime loaded the CONCERTO set (stock number 20)
and began editing it

after a thorough examination, and comparison to an original CONCERTO set 20,
other than some volume settings being tweaked on the chord registers, there
is only one significant difference

on the tweaked "CONCERTO set
if you look closely, you will notice, upon pressing the treble orch. switch,
opening the list of available sounds, there is now an additional one that is
in the listing above #1 (Piano)
it simply reads "not found" and this is the default for the set (highlighted)
if you shift to a different ORCH sound, you cannot then go back to "not found"

(DO NOT write the set or save it unless you WANT to lose the error)
also, if you test this, simply switching to a different set then back does not overwrite
or reset, you need to turn the FR4x off then on again and then reload this
errant "Concerto" set into the editor to see "not found" again

opening the ORCH list under the stock CONCERTO set, #1 is first
and there is no way possible to go UP to force or find this "not found" position

conclusion: for now, i would say the editor of this set once had an orchestral
sound .bin loaded and pointed his ORCH to that, but on your FR4x (and mine)
that specific .bin file is NOT LOADED in one of the 4 memory slots

therefore, the set is forced into an error mode, which apparently points to
this "not found" notice

the result of this (happily for some) is that there is now one full MIDI Drum
file MAPPED onto the Treble Keyboard by default, and for some reason, this error forces
it to an "on" state when you press the left hand section "drum" switch

this is no different than sending your MIDI out through a MIDI cable to a
GM Midi Sound Module and pointing to one of the many standard DRUM kits
that are included in the MIDI Spec.. these drum kits have the different drumset
sounds mapped each to a different key/note and is very useful for tapping out
a rhythm into a MIDI file with a keyboard instead of a Drum or pad interface

so it is a happy error, and may be of some use to you or someone else with a 4x

if you would prefer an unedited CONCERTO.set from the original programming,
i can upload one

i will look into this issue further, but for now this is my report

Great work, Ventura!

I may add: until a value has been entered by a Program Change, the field containing the Patch Number for a Channel or (in a Standard MIDI File) a Track is "0", which in General MIDI happens to be assigned to a Piano or (when the Drums flag has been set) apparently the Standard Drum Kit.

Sidebar: we tend to talk of Patches 1..128 and Channels 1..16, but "under the hood" they are numbered 0.127 and 0..15. These ranges stem from the MIDI protocol using every bit in a byte: 7 bits for identifying the Patches, 4 bits for identifying the Channel.