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I’m thinking of buying a used Excelsior accordion, a 96 bass piano box, which is in great condition, although I haven’t played it yet. Looking at the Excelsior website, it seems to be a 1304 BCS model. The only thing that bothers me about it is the Excelsior name is on a little rectangular plate at the top of the body, on the treble side. I can’t find any images of any Excelsior boxes with this style and position of name plate, although everything else about the box is identical in design to that model number. What are the chances that it’s a fake?778B835D-EFE7-4C4B-93A8-2761EF835F17.jpeg
 
This badge appears on other Excelsior accordions I have seen pictures of (do a Google image search). Typically it is placed in the center, but it is the same badge. The grille is also a bit unusual in that the rounded part does not come down to include the register part, but that too is found on some other Excelsior accordions. So I do believe you have the genuine article here and not a fake.
It is sad that when buying an accordion we have to be so cautious about fakes nowadays... but this one is very likely the real thing.
 
Mine was chinese, it had a chinese label under the grille.
You mean it was a real Excelsior but made in China, or was it a fake, and if so, which visual distinguishing features did it have to determine it was a fake? (Excelsior stopped being a real accordion maker around 2000 when Pigini bought it, and who knows who made Excelsior accordions since then, and where...)
 
CEMEX and SEM were the last two fully vertically integrated accordion factories left in Italy,
and both facilities ceased to exist decades ago

for SEM, all the physical assets were sold off parted out and junked first, then
later the intellectual assets were purchased at auction so vestiges of the name survive.

the most valuable intellectual and physical assets that escaped were those owned
by the Piermaria group which fully retained their property and brand rights, while
the other famous brand rather had to start from scratch, and sub-brands being built
there by contract pretty much evaporated

for Excelsior, PIGINI purchased them while they were still building accordions, and like
many mergers and takeovers, both brands benefited in some ways from this... the entire
Electronics division including Marco were moved to the Pigini factory, as well as the
reedmaking division, body forms, etc. but much was left or put into storage limbo and
even perhaps some of the old NewYork machines are still up in the rafters of the old building

but today, Pigini IS likely the closest thing to full integration you will find... the majority
of their accordions are made from stuff in their factory, not assembled from
parts and supplies and mechanisms ordered from specialty supply shops
by so called "boutique" brand accordionmakers

it is also a Family company

i seriously doubt they would gut the value of the Excelsior brand
by sourcing them in China secretly... this practice was done
years ago when Soprani was still being butchered with
knockoffs and such, like the E. Soprani, and eventually
italian lawmakers stepped in to stop deceptive practices
in the accordion industry

i admit it did not make me happy when Cemex ceased to be an independent,
but i am happy they are now part of a reputable house and the brand lives on

i believe Excelsiors are built in the Pigini factory period

ciao

Ventura
 
Saw one of these 2 years ago brought in by a customer who claimed he purchased it used while on vacation in London and
some of the notes were becoming out of tune. I was very suspicious as the exterior of the box seemed new but Excelsior
for years has only made models in white or black. When I opened the box I found the construction was of soft woods.
Excelsior NEVER made a model with soft woods. The reeds were Italian but grade B (seconds) similar to what the Chinese
use in some of their models. The reed leathers were of mediocre quality and had started to curl (the out of tune culpert).
The treble shift machine was flimsy and the keyboard (keys & bed) were made of aluminum not wood. The bass machine
Wasn't Italian but a removable bass machine similar to some of German & Chinese models. I did a search of the interior
and could not find any markings or reference origin or the maker. I asked the customer if he had a bill of sale and he
said he did and will bring it when he picks up the box with corrected valves. The seller was very clever as the bill of sale
said it was a used accordion with an Excelsior badge.applied. Not a Excelsior product. The accordion was very similar
to the accordion in your picture with the same Excelsior badge. I won't say this one is not original but What I see
in the photo I feel it just might be a copy. If you get a chance to examine the interior of this one refer to my
comments on the copy I found.
Todays Excelsiors are made in their own facility but are a subsidiary of Pigini.

An excelsior 1304 will look like this --


or this --
 
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You mean it was a real Excelsior but made in China, or was it a fake, and if so, which visual distinguishing features did it have to determine it was a fake? (Excelsior stopped being a real accordion maker around 2000 when Pigini bought it, and who knows who made Excelsior accordions since then, and where...)
As Jim says ,softwoods
 
Jim D said : "Todays Excelsiors are made in their own facility but are a subsidiary of Pigini."

thank you.. good to know.. damn i need to make one last trip to Italy and
check out a few things b4 my time is up

ciao

Ventura
 
Saw one of these 2 years ago brought in by a customer who claimed he purchased it used while on vacation in London and
some of the notes were becoming out of tune. I was very suspicious as the exterior of the box seemed new but Excelsior
for years has only made models in white or black. When I opened the box I found the construction was of soft woods.
Excelsior NEVER made a model with soft woods. ....
A very informative post, Jim!
I guess this means that the other accordions I saw with that Excelsior badge may also be fakes.
Interesting because they do have the signature register buttons so characteristic of Excelsior.
You can never be too careful when looking for a good used accordion these days...
 
I've been looking (Googling) for some info or reference on a real Excelsior 1304 made in red. And sorry to say have come up short.
The real 1304's I've found were only in black or white. The original Excelsior add shows a 1304 here --

Kate Dunphy an accordionist with the Carte Blanche Jazz Band also uses one -- Watch the Video starting at 0:34 -
 
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