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Beware of New Weltmeisters

Maybe the accordion in question had the bellows replaced for some reason with the cheapest available (or from a donor accordion)?
Hmm. Unlikely, since the bellows are a perfect fit and the rest of the accordion is in such good shape that they wouldn't have had time to wear out. My guess is that it's something Weltmeister unwisely tried a few years ago as a cost cutting measure, and then wisely discarded. I wish Mr. Meltke had clarified this in his reply. If I could edit my original post I would change it to Beware Some New-ish Weltmeisters, but I'm not able edit it.
 
I have been a bit uncomfortable with this conversation - instant judgements of Weltmeister (with a few exceptions) based on one experience of one used instrument.
The OP refers to never having worked on a modern Weltmeister. The only ref. to it being 2nd hand seems to be in the letter to the company.
Re: It would seem that they are no longer making bellows this way. This does not seem to reflect accurately Weltmeister's response.
For now, I remain pleased with the Welty I bought as a try-out for Freebass - and I know the person who bought it from me is also very happy with it.
What a pleasure to see a prompt and helpful reply from their CEO!
 
I have been a bit uncomfortable with this conversation - instant judgements of Weltmeister (with a few exceptions) based on one experience of one used instrument.
The OP refers to never having worked on a modern Weltmeister. The only ref. to it being 2nd hand seems to be in the letter to the company.
Re: It would seem that they are no longer making bellows this way. This does not seem to reflect accurately Weltmeister's response.
For now, I remain pleased with the Welty I bought as a try-out for Freebass - and I know the person who bought it from me is also very happy with it.
What a pleasure to see a prompt and helpful reply from their CEO!
Please re-read my original post. I say it is second hand in the very first sentence. This is a recent model that is, from the outside anyway, indistinguishable from the one currently being sold by Jim Laabs, Liberty Bellows, and others. I'm glad you're happy with yours and I agree that it's nice to have gotten such a prompt response from the CEO. As for misrepresenting what he wrote, I posted the conversation verbatim so people could judge for themselves. Manifestly, Weltmeister made this accordion with the defective bellows at some point. Since I trust the CEO that they are not currently making them like that, it is reasonable to conclude that "they are no longer making bellows this way". I'm not interested in slandering Weltmeister or anyone else. My only interest in writing this post was to hopefully prevent others from being scammed as my client was.
 
We've got 2 newish Weltmeisters at work (button freebass of course!) and they are absolutely adequate and give no indication they won't last a while. We've also got 6 Bugari equivalents second hand, which I'd guess are around 30/40 years old. They've taken a huge amount of playing but give every impression they've got many more decades of good life left in them. Quality at the start means they are going to last a lifetime. Paul Debra's advice is sound when it comes to accordion economics: buy quality used and you get the best value.
 
Inexplicable!🤔
I keep thinking of the old saying :
"Anyone can build a bridge that stands up, but it takes an engineer to build one that only just stands up!"🙂
 
Just a thought - could the bellows have been replaced by a third party as a consequence of the original ones having been accidentally damaged?
Possibly even rebuilt on the original frames.
 
I have been a bit uncomfortable with this conversation - instant judgements of Weltmeister (with a few exceptions) based on one experience of one used instrument.
The OP refers to never having worked on a modern Weltmeister. The only ref. to it being 2nd hand seems to be in the letter to the company.
Re: It would seem that they are no longer making bellows this way. This does not seem to reflect accurately Weltmeister's response.
For now, I remain pleased with the Welty I bought as a try-out for Freebass - and I know the person who bought it from me is also very happy with it.
What a pleasure to see a prompt and helpful reply from their CEO!
By now I have worked on quite a few accordions from quite a few brands. Before I comment on something I find inside I do my best to "guess" whether it is an original feature or construction or something that was done later by some (shoddy) repairer. Accordions often go through multiple repairers' hands before ending up with someone who comments here. I cannot comment on the poor bellows shown by the OP. My experience has been with low end Weltmeister accordions and I can only comment on that I see inside them, like the soft plastic reed blocks that are not really suitable for a standard accordion construction with reedplates held on using wax. And I find the keyboard construction very poor as well. And these are with certainty factory original elements. But I know that for instance a Weltmeister Supita is a completely different class of instrument, with much more attention to quality and detail (and a very different price tag). Not al Weltmeisters are created equal. But the same holds true for Italian accordions: a low end accordion always suffers from design and manufacturing compromises in trying to keep the price down. Sometimes a manufacturer goes too far (the Pigini Peter Pan plastic case is a good example as the shoulder strap brackets may break off) and sometimes an "innovation" backfires, like decades ago when new pallets were introduced which resulted in the "Klebemorino" problem (affecting all Italian-made accordions, not just the Morino) of sticky pallets.
We should keep in mind an important property of the accordion manufacturing world: when a new design or manufacturing "feature" doesn't work well the design or manufacturing process is changed (they do learn and try to improve) but the badly affected accordions that have been produced are not recalled to fix the problems, as is common in modern electronics and cars for instance. This leaves many accordions with design or manufacturing flaws on the used-accordion market. When we encounter an accordion with such a flaw, we should not generalize that everything the manufacturer ever made has always been rubbish and will remain so. It is only that manufacturers do not take on the responsibility to offer to fix the problems (under warranty). And that applies to *all* manufacturers I know.
 
Apologies to OP.
I did not notice the first sentence - started reading at 'Weltmeisters are not...'
 
Old carpenter's saying: "Measure twice, cut once!"?🤔
Seems as if buying an accordion is about as tricky as buying a car!😀
 
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Old carpenter's saying: "Measure twice, cut once!"?🤔
Seems as if buying an accordion is about as tricky as buying a car!😀
Probably worse than buying a car, at least a new one. You often cannot try the new accordion you think you want because it still has to be built... and every accordion (even of the same model) is slightly different because of the use of wood and tiny differences between reeds, voicing, leathers and tuning... Unless you are an accordion repairer there are so many details that may need minor adjustment... which is why for instance when buying a Pigini Nova the buyer spends a few days at the factory trying it out and getting small adjustments done. (You pay more than enough to get this service!)
 
I love that this forum is a rich resource for insight and advice on the quality of various makes and models, and on which things are worth the money and which things aren't.

But I'll be honest that some of what I'm reading here kinda come off to me like flat-out snobbery. In my younger, snobbier days I probably would've merrily brand-bashed along. But I don't know... I've gotten to the point in my life where I just don't have any use for it anymore.

After all, there's probably some kid out there who could only afford (or could only find for purchase, or just didn't know better, etc...) some accordion that we might consider to it be a "worthless piece of garbage", of "absolutely rubbish quality", or a time-wasting "inferior instrument" (all quotes from this thread).

And you know what? Maybe they're pretty proud of owning that accordion and are having fun learning to play it. The last thing they need is for us to crap all over it and make them feel like a stupid loser for buying it.
I think you may be referring to my post which you quoted in your previous post. I’m sorry if you read it that way, that was not my intention. There is a common observation that if you buy cheap you end up buying twice. By common consent value is not greatest at the cheapest end of the market. I ended up exchanging the Bravo, which I bought used but not very old, for an old Italian instrument of a well-known brand. The cost difference was trivial. The sound and ease of playing was massive. I have no problem with others enjoying the use of things which I find useless, so much the better, but I do try to help others avoid my mistakes. Sorry if you find this offensive. That is not my purpose.
 
My guess is that it's something Weltmeister unwisely tried a few years ago as a cost cutting measure, and then wisely discarded.
that must have been at the absolute low-point of their business then

Even my Unisella, possibly one of the cheapest Weltmeisters ever, has leather corners and cloth lining inside and out. The rest of the box just oozes CHEAP
 
I have been a bit uncomfortable with this conversation - instant judgements of Weltmeister (with a few exceptions) based on one experience of one used instrument.

As dunlustin says, I've also been uncomfortable with this thread, for the same reason.

But I must add that I almost never read all the posts on a thread, but I almost always read Paul's posts on the threads I think may be of some interest to me, and a few others' posts also. Internet and fora are quite time consuming activities, and my days only have 24 hours.

Paul is probably right and there may be some lower quality Weltmeisters out there. Mine was made around 2009-2010, and was available new for 1.299,00 euros + shipping. A few years later I got one for just under 1.000,00 euros + shipping, directly from factory. On mine, the treble reed blocks are wood, and the bass reed blocks are some plastic, but not slippery plastic at all, rugous plastic, seems a good grip for the wax. Of course I may be wrong. About the bellow corners, I'm not knowledgeable enough to see if this is thin leather or some kind of cloth lining, and my other accordions are Hohners from the 1930 era so I really have nothing new to compare with. Airtight bellows yes, very airtight, looks like it will last longer than me. Can't take a pic of the inside open bellows now, maybe next weekend when my grandkids can help.

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My first Hohner 1955 Organola 1, acquired second hand, locally in the mid 1980's. Still going strong after years of maintenance. It got a
a couple of coats of awlgrip aircraft paint. Re-padded pallets on on both treble and bass sides using chamois and a foam for padding classic mini car heaters. All this and more...... so a recent luxury addition, to enhance the lovely low bass reeds. A pair of Styrian-style brassy sound funnels! The two original sound ports, now temporarily sealed, are either end of the bass board. And DIY vinyl/ leather bellows straps were essential.
 

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As dunlustin says, I've also been uncomfortable with this thread, for the same reason.

But I must add that I almost never read all the posts on a thread, but I almost always read Paul's posts on the threads I think may be of some interest to me, and a few others' posts also. Internet and fora are quite time consuming activities, and my days only have 24 hours.

Paul is probably right and there may be some lower quality Weltmeisters out there.
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The Weltmeister I recently worked on has the white oval register switches that are not typical for Weltmeister but are typical for some other accordions (some branded Rossini I believe) that may originate from the Czech republic. The accordion does state "Made in Germany" but that doesn't mean much. (The nice Hohner accordions that were made by Excelsior in Italy also say "Made in Germany".)
I have seen plastic reed blocks (treble and bass) in Czech-made accordions if I recall correctly. Also, the high piccolo reeds are mounted on top of the reed block instead of on the side. This is a construction I have seen in an old Barcarole (from the Soviet era). I am seriously doubting whether the "Made in Germany" label on that Welty is truthful. When Weltmeister starts outsourcing... then who knows who made some of their accordions and what they put in. The Weltmeister CEO may honestly say what the accordions contain that his German factory built and builds but who knows what's in the accordions not made there and only carrying the Weltmeister label.
 
Another update. I spoke with my friend and one of my accordion repair gurus, Michael Rheinländer of Rheinländer Akkordeon Werkstatt in Cologne, Germany. He has seen many recent Weltmeisters with these worthless, leaky bellows with the fabric corners, so it's not some isolated example. They do not currently make them like this, so if you buy a brand new one, unless it's old stock, you're probably okay. However, if you buy one made just a few years ago that looks exactly like the ones currently being made, you should check the inside bellows corners, lest you wind up with something unplayable.
 
Another update. I spoke with my friend and one of my accordion repair gurus, Michael Rheinländer of Rheinländer Akkordeon Werkstatt in Cologne, Germany. He has seen many recent Weltmeisters with these worthless, leaky bellows with the fabric corners, so it's not some isolated example. They do not currently make them like this, so if you buy a brand new one, unless it's old stock, you're probably okay. However, if you buy one made just a few years ago that looks exactly like the ones currently being made, you should check the inside bellows corners, lest you wind up with something unplayable.
@Big Squeezy Accordions I'm about to buy a new Weltmeister. Is this something I can see from the outside or do you need to open it up and look at the bellows from the inside?
 
@Big Squeezy Accordions I'm about to buy a new Weltmeister. Is this something I can see from the outside or do you need to open it up and look at the bellows from the inside?
You should be able to tell from the outside, though it'll be far more obvious from the inside. If it's brand new you should be okay, as I understand they tried this a few years ago and then went back to making them with leather.
 
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