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What made you want to play the accordion?

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I was brought up in the urban area of the west of Scotland, where religious bigotry still prevails. That part of Scotland has a lot of common links with what is now called Northern Ireland, and the situation is pretty complicated to those who are unfamiliar with the area. In my own case my father's Presbyterian family fled to Ireland from Scotland in the 17th century to avoid religious persecution, but returned to Scotland in the mid 19th century when disease and famine were rife in Ulster. They came to Scotland along with many native Irish people who were Roman Catholic, but on arrival in Scotland they were all lumped together as "Irish", and were ostracised from the mainstream Scottish society. Because of that, my father's Protestant family regularly intermarried with Roman Catholics. My mother's family were native Roman Catholic Irish, so I was the product of what was regarded as a "mixed" marriage. For comparison it was like a Jew marrying a Moslem. Enough of family histories!

In Scotland the accordion tradition (away from the volatile south west), eventually concentrated on what became known as "Country Dance" music. That music comprised of what were claimed as "traditional" Scottish music tunes, and some were adapted for the accordion. Quite a few composers contributed to what became a standard Scottish accordion repertoire, and there were many influences involved from the various areas of Scotland, particularly the east coast and the rural west coast, not forgetting the Hebridean islands of the west and north west. In that respect the influence of the Gaelic speaking regions was a pretty major factor in the music which evolved, considering only about 1% of Scottish people can actually speak Gaelic.

As a child in the 50s and 60s I listened to many accordionists whose repertoire consisted chiefly of Orange (Protestant) and Hibernian (Roman Catholic) sectarian tunes. Any player who was better than average was usually snapped up by their sectarian mentors, and made to play in a marching accordion band. Yes really!! Almost every other household in the village where I lived had a budding accordionist, and they all played PA, belting out tunes that concerned Protestants slaughtering Catholics or vice versa. Most of those bigots could also turn their hand to playing Scottish Country Dance music, although I would have to stress that in most of the rest of Scotland the music was more important than religious bigotry.

My grandfather had come back from WW1 with a love of the accordion music he had heard in France and Belgium, and although he was a devout Covenanter Presbyterian he never allowed religion to stand in the way of his love of "catholic" music. We listened to Radio Lyon just about every day and I started to like French musette accordion from the mid 50s onwards.

When I eventually decided to take up playing the accordion at the age of 30 I naturally had to make a decision about what style I should play. The "religious" music was a no-no, as my respective grandparents would have had an issue with that. I therefore opted for "catholic" French musette, which did not really matter, as I had moved away from "Bigot County" to Edinburgh.

I also decided that I didn't like the very strong Scottish musette accordion tunings. In light of my eventual choice I became a musical "loner", often frightened to play in public in case I was slated for not knowing Scottish tunes. The (non-sectarian) accordion in Scotland has a passionate following, and woe betide anybody who cannot play the music of the people. I can actually play it, but my accordion "doesn't sound right" to people who stay long enough to listen.

I had actually wanted to start playing accordion a lot earlier in my life, but the sectarian stuff, and the fact that the instrument was regarded as being very old fashioned ultimately put me off. However, after I became an old man of 30 I decided that the time was ripe. Problem was I was about 20 years too late. I can play guitar without much fear as I have been playing it since I was a young teenager. By the time you reach 30 you have more hang ups than the cloakroom at the Albert Hall about your ability. In Scotland the instrument and its learning process was taken far too seriously at the time I decided to start playing. I needed to find a style of playing that would allow me to diversify from "bog standard" tunes, so I chose to play a style that none of my fellow countrymen could identify with. Did I succeed? Not really, but I'm still having a lot of fun pretending!

Well, that's my story. What's yours?
 
Hello There,

I will not go into any detail on this (or any other) forum, but I spent a considerable chunk of my 20's dealing with bigotry from both sides of the divide, and can very well remember the shocking devastation caused by ignorance and intolerance. I managed to get away with only minor injuries, though some of my comrades were not so lucky. The memories never fade, though time has smoothed out the vivid images I carried for some considerable time after these events.

As for the Accordion, I first picked one up just short of 12 months ago. I had previously played Clarinet to a reasonable standard, though that was way back in the 1960's. The events alluded to above caused me to abandon my musical interests, and marriage, kids and my subsequent professional life kept me out of my beloved Folk Clubs.

After a few years of retirement, I decided that I would like to rekindle my connections with the Folk World. My first thought was to buy a Clarinet, but I hadn't played one in 50 years. As a small child, my Great Uncle had introduced me to the Concertina. I was hopeless with it, but carried an affectionate memory of my Uncle and his Concertina into later life.

Almost a year ago, I bought a little 12 Bass Galotta from a reputable dealer, and began to learn a few simple tunes. After a couple of months I decided that I needed a slightly bigger instrument, and conveyed this thought to my tutor. As luck would have it, he had a 72 Bass Chanson which was surplus to his requirements. (he has a Bugari & a big Hohner)

I have steadily added to my repertoire over the last year, and now confidently lug my instrument(s) into a number of Folk Clubs in my region. Brenda and I have, out of necessity, cut back on the number of clubs we visit, as I was spending far too much time performing, and far too little time practising. Age and stamina also played a part in our decision, as we have too much of the former, and too little of the latter.

I play the music I like, and would not waste a second of my time learning stuff I don't like. Though "Wild Mountain Thyme" and "Jug of Punch" are favourites of mine, I actually play more 40's, 50's & 60's music than I do Folk. "Le Colline Sono in Fiore" (aka "The River") is one of my current favourites, as is "Love Me With All Of Your Heart", both sung by Ken Dodd in the late 60's or early 70's. I am also a whizz with "Wooden Heart", which has become a signature tune.

My Chanson sounds okay to me, so I seriously doubt that I will ever buy a top of the range instrument. I am quite happy to sit with our friends and make my contribution to the evening's entertainment. Brenda reads her poetry ......... I play some nice tunes ........ we go home happy.

I hope this gives you an impression of my route into accordion playing.

All The Best,

Stephen.
 
What made you want to play the accordion?
My parents wanted me to, I displayed a talent for it, they nourished it. I did it until I completely burned out and stopped, then restarted 38 years later. Now I suck at it, but enjoy it a lot more thanks to a lot less pressure.

Nothing too fancy, but thats the readers digest version. :b
 
My reader's digest version:
My two brothers and I first started on the piano, around the age of 7 I believe. Music school in Belgium is very good and at the time was even completely free. The oldest started learning to play the accordion in our regular grade school (accordion was forbidden in music school) and soon joined the local accordion orchestra. I started with the accordion after finishing grade school, around the age of 12. When you know the piano learning the accordion goes relatively fast. So after 3 years or so I was already "advanced" compared to many others in the orchestra. (The difference is mainly in how much you practice. Not everyone practiced as much as we did.) Then at some point the conductor of the orchestra left and I became the conductor. In music school I took years of "harmony" classes which was very helpful in teaching myself to make arrangements of music for the orchestra.
After moving to the Netherlands my wife and I joined an orchestra there (without abandoning the one in Belgium). And later we joined yet another, and started a quintet and recently I started another quintet... and it is time for me to retire from work soon because I don't have enough time for work any more...
 
My story isn’t as exhilarating as some; it was in the 70’s when ‘supervising’ my sons trombone lesson that I realised, to his delight, that he was practicing on purpose with his sheet music upside down.

At that point realisation set in & I decide to learn to read music & play an instrument, but which one?

It was at a school concert that I became aware of the lovely sound an accordion can make, & so my love & fascination of the instrument was born.
 
As a child growing up in the east end of Glasgow, Scotland, I learned to listen to the accordion on a Saturday night when the country dance music was on the wireless (radio). This was an hour of music appreciation in our house when no one dared speak. Our annual summer holidays were spent on the Clyde (paddle) steamers and we were entertained on part of the route by a trio – accordion, fiddle and wooden rattle box for percussion. Our job was to run and put a penny in the man’s box to make it rattle more.

In adolescent years I heard a salesman at the barrows (market stall) play a mouth organ – I was hooked and my musical career now started. The natural progression was to a melodeon, then the big time - take lessons. My teacher advised me to buy a piano box but the Sedlon type lessons were not for me so my Settimio Soprani was relegated to the wardrobe, later sold.

Thirty years later, for health reasons I moved north to Aberdeenshire. Up here the music is a greater part of life and although different it is still real. As an example, the well known tune ‘Westering Home’ has changed tempo to become ‘The muckin o’ Geordies Byre’ but there are lots of bands playing all types. How can a country with a population of 5 million be so diverse?

However, I bought a new (to me) box, then another, then………... You know the rest.

Ca canny
Garth
 
I started learning the piano at around the age of 8 and continued into my teens. On leaving school, I no longer had lessons - I was fed up with music exams and wanted to play other kinds of music. Not having a piano meant I didn't often have the chance to play but I never lost my ear and played whenever I could.
I have always had a hankering to learn the accordion, but didn't actually take it up until about 25 years ago. The idea of a complete instrument appealed, and my main interest then was folk music. There was a teacher locally so I had lessons for a while then had the chance to play in an amateur instrumental folk band in Dorset. We moved to France a couple of years later and I found an excellent teacher in Saumur. However, I really missed playing with others and after a couple of years, I stopped the lessons and rarely picked up my accordion. Then came the chance nearly 18 years later to accompany the singers of sea shanties so the motivation returned to play again.
This forum has given me a vey different outlook on just what can be played on the accordion - I guess I have been clutched into folk music for so long that I haven't given much thought to other styles.
In hindsight, I rather wish I'd learned the CBA but the PA was logical as I already played the piano.
 
When I a child maybe 10 or 11, I asked my mother if I could have guitar lessons. The answer was a resounding NO! A year or two later, I came to associate music lessons with acute embarrasment and humillation, musical education in inner London schools at that time was geared to those could and not to those that couldnt. I couldnt. So i didnt, bUt I did find that if sat quietly I could watch the fifth form girls playing hockey which at that time was much more interesting! Music became something I watched and listened to, but most certainly something I did not do.

Spool forward many years. By now my wife and I were involved in Breton/French dance, Helen bought a Hohner diatonic accordion and joined in with the dance club house band, at times the house band was as helpful and tactful as a 1970s music teacher, but that is another story. On occaision I had a tinker with the Hohner, but I found the in and out business for different notes completly baffling. Eventually, Helen suggested i might consider learning to play a piano accordion. The Albert Hall of hang ups bubbled up... but if I could qualify as a driving instructor and get my 3rd dan black belt in Iaido ( http://www.bka.org ) surely I could learn to play socially? Surely, I could join in with house band and play a waltz or schottishe? After a lot of pontification, I eventually bought a 24 bass chinese box from Allodis in Lewisham and had lessons with a very good teacher in Brighton. I cant say i took to it like a duck to water, it was hard and difficult at first. But I stuck at it and eventually, the written music and the instrument started came together.
Im under no illusions about my relative skill. Had I started in my teens I might be pretty good by now, at best I guess I could be describded as competent or uncharitably as average, but thats fine, I can live with that. Have I achieved my ambition? well, yes I suppose I have. I play socially and in my own half-arsed way I play with the house band.

The next challenges ? Play accurately at speed and improve my almost non-existant playing by ear skills.
 
As a girl growing up in Edinburgh, Scotland I saw accordions played often on the telly, invariably by men in kilts. I was diligently working my way through the grades of (classical) piano at the time, and was fairly oblivious to the flourishing and growing folk-music scene. My piano teacher suggested I could be a professional but I told her I didn't have the necessary level of commitment. I stopped playing piano when I went away to university and instead took up more portable wooden recorders and eventually folk flute; but still occasionally had a wistful desire to play the accordion which had so fascinated me when I was young. I didn't however have enough courage to go against my background conditioning that it was an instrument played by men. And my living situation never seemed to suit either.

I started taking holidays in the West of Ireland and again was fascinated by the 'boxes' I saw in every music shop and heard in every bar. I realised I didn't really understand the differences between diatonic/chromatic instruments and started reading about them... but on tentatively discussing the possibility of buying an accordion my partner made it clear that this would not be well received, to put it mildly. It took a few years.... but in the end I ditched the partner (for many reasons...) and got an accordion instead! Best thing I ever did!

That was 2 years ago now. My previous 14 years of piano practice has really helped me in getting to grips with the instrument and the music, and I would like to hope that I am now a reasonably solid 'intermediate' player. I now feel just about ready to seek out opportunities to play with other musicians.

Even though as a 'late starter' I know I will never be another Phil Cunningham, for me it has been worth investing in a decent instrument (actually, the same one Phil Cunningham plays!). It has enabled so much more subtlety of expression in my playing, which has been highly motivating for my enthusiasm and practice.
 
Hi Stephen,

Sorry to hear of your experiences, and this forum is definitely not the place to discuss Irish sectarianism, which not many people realise also exists in parts of Scotland. You would need to have been brought up in the area to understand it all (if it is possible to understand it).

You could play any type of instrument you wanted, but if you chose the accordion or the flute then you simply had to show your affinity to one side or the other. There was no middle of the road or non-conformity allowed.

The thing was, there were about 20 or 30 very good accordionists in the village, and many other "also-rans", so I grew up listening to some pretty competent players.

I like your approach to only playing what you like, and unfortunately I did waste a lot of time playing stuff that I thought would impress other people, rather than what I actually wanted to play. It doesn't matter these days as the accordions almost never leave the house.

Thanks for the insight into your playing experience.

EDIT: Removed a paragraph which contained information not appropriate to the forum.
 
maugein96 said:
Hi Stephen,

Sorry to hear of your experiences, and this forum is definitely not the place to discuss
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Can we bring the discussion back to boxes rather than intimate details bout individuals backgrounds of whtever nture


George
 
Growing up in the 50s there were plenty of PAs around usually liberated (looted) in the WW2
My father was a singer and bandleader and I learned to sing and play guitar and piano

What made me want to play the accordion was the desire to have a self contained keyboard instrument that was portable and did not need a separate amp or speaker so a non driver like me could take it about Now I have my newer PA I am very happy with the instrument and its own capabilities

I want to play music that pleases people ie popular classics - light jazz - music theatre - swing - Latin American and good pop songs

I have bought books of accordion music - which are useful but I find easy keyboard or piano books where the chords are give just as useful as sources of material as I can do my own arrangements
 
george garside said:
Can we bring the discussion back to boxes rather than intimate details bout individuals backgrounds of whtever nture

George

Sorry George,

I was just curious as to why people choose to play what is perceived by many as an "unpopular" instrument, and that's why I began the thread. With regard to my own "autobiography" the accordion was unfortunately indelibly linked to what I have described in the original post, and was the principal reason that I delayed playing it until later in life. I would rather it hadn't been that way, but that's the way life is in that part of Scotland to this day (although there are not so many accordions). It might have been better if I hadn't gone into it, but my story would have been missing a vital part.

In my other posts you'll often see that I give short biographies of the players concerned, if I know them. I have always had an interest in the people who play the instrument, and have spent years reading all about them and their backgrounds, some of which make pretty depressing reading, but which I nevertheless find very interesting.

Unfortunately I had no idea what would follow on from the OP, and if there is anything that appears offensive, or way off topic to other members, all I can do is apologise.

I now feel I have exhausted my potential for any more positive input into the forum, and wish you all the best for the future. I've learned a lot about the accordion and all its bits, but unfortunately haven't learned how to post on a forum without upsetting people.

EDIT:- I have removed a paragraph from the post you have mentioned in the quote above, which is what I believe prompted your comment.
 
The last post was so sad..... is maugonin96 really going to stop contributing his expertise & wisdom for us all to share?

I am fully aware this post does not reflect the topic either, but I must write to express my sincere best wishes to maugonin96 in the hope he will change his mind & continue to share his views with us on this forum.
 
Maugein said:
I now feel I have exhausted my potential for any more positive input into the forum, and wish you all the best for the future. Ive learned a lot about the accordion and all its bits, but unfortunately havent learned how to post on a forum without upsetting people.
As a new member, I would be very sorry not to see more of your posts, Maugein - they are part of what drew me to this forum. I have already seen that there is a wealth of knowledge here and there is so much I can learn - everyone will have a different point of view on what they like to read, its easy enough to skim over what doesnt interest you. I confess I know nothing of the technical side of the accordion and am already discovering so many styles and ways of playing that I have never encountered before.

Surely music is not just about the instrument itself ? I find it very interesting to see why people take up the accordion. Why do people favour a particular style, a particular make of instrument, prefer buttons to keys ..... and what drew them to the accordion rather than another instrument ? A bit of background can put meat on the bones - as we can see from those who have posted on this topic.

Sally
 
I guess the purpose of this thread was to enhance our knowledge of each other but it seems to have backfired because of the interpretation of only a few words.
Geographically, I am nearer to maugein96 than anyone here and can fully relate to the making of his music/life and would suggest now dinnae fash yersel ower it.
From the weegie translation book that means DON'T GO.
Just ca canny
Garth
 
Lots of prejudice against the Accordion and I probably brought some of it with me when we moved to France. 46 years of playing the Concertina and nearly 40 years a player and maker of the Irish Bagpipes ( Uilleann Pipes) could leave an indelible stain on one's opinions. Since my early dabbling with a junk shop PA back in the 60's I had hardly had an accordion in my hands, though I have made the odd small repairs for others. However, in France the modern slight against the accordion is probably due to the over kitch presentations of the Musette brigade but I started to perceive that every accordionist I met here was producing really fine music . Was this because they were all really good musicians or was the accordion easier to play than I imagined?

My chance came when my wife took up the Cabrette, that type of French Bagpipe which has been long associated with the Chromatic accordion. The story goes that the sister of one of the well known Cabrette players in Paris ( around the turn of the 1900's) had an Italian boyfriend who played the accordion... the two musicians got together and founded a small dance band and the rest is history. So, with the encouragement of my spouse the accordion has come into our lives. Taking up the learning of another instrument in later life is probably good for brain health.

Certain criteria are wanted for this marriage of Cabrette and Accordion: a degree of musette tuning due to the fact that the Cabrette uses a more natural scale where some notes are flat or sharp of Equal Temperament, thus the wider musette tuning covers most of the pitch clashes. I have chosen 3 voice musette with Basson which gives a nice thick sound and blends far better with the Cabrette than the concertina does. Some of the older Cabrettes were not made to the modern Diapason ( A= 440hz.) ... this leads to a liking for pre-war boxes that remain in original pitch.

Well I posed myself the question as to whether all these wonderfull accordionists were just great players or is the accordion easy to play .... I'd say , like all instruments, lots of practice yealds good results but in some respects it is easier to play than some other instruments, or should I say easier to make agreeable music.. as simple as you like. Two and a half years into this new venture and enjoying it no end.

Please don't take offense Maugein96 ... I have been really enjoying your topics and learning a great deal... Thanks.
 
Happy girl said:
The last post was so sad..... is maugonin96 really going to stop contributing his expertise & wisdom for us all to share?

I am fully aware this post does not reflect the topic either, but I must write to express my sincere best wishes to maugonin96 in the hope he will change his mind & continue to share his views with us on this forum.

absolutely no reason for you to stop posting maugonin !

george :oops:
 
Thanks very much indeed for all the words of encouragement, and I am now reconsidering the position. Religion and politics are two subjects best left out of any kind of forum, and I managed to get them both into the one post. I would stress that the material content of the OP is a fact of life, and is very relative to the accordion and its music in the area concerned. People like myself who were brought up there cannot simply ignore it, but are probably better not discussing it with others who don't understand the position. I'll take that one on the chin.

I know I can be outspoken at times with regard to various aspects of the accordion in general, particularly the technical aspects, and maybe it's time I got my head to work quicker than my fingers can type. A lot of my "humour" appears to have been misconstrued at times, and that has got me into trouble as well.

Now that I've got all the toys back in my pram I'll try and tread lighter than before and endeavour to leave my personal experiences out of the subject matter. People who know me will realise that I don't get upset very easily, but on this occasion I was obviously a victim of my own stupidity. That's two on the chin I'm now due.

Please keep telling us about how you came to play and I'll just wait until the thread dries up before I thank you all.
 
george garside said:
absolutely no reason for you to stop posting maugonin !

george :oops:

George,

You were right to intervene when you did. I was trying to commiserate with the other member and it wasn't the time or the place.

I did take it personally, and threw all the toys out of the pram, until other members put me wise to the error of my ways. I then realised the implications of what I had done, and it's just as well that there are level headed neutral people like yourself looking in on things.

:tup: :tup:
 
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