Waiting for an OS Update for the FR4x

[Keymn]

I have done some work on this...Midi out, channel 4 to my Korg Fr4x. I do notice the difference when triggering the Korg sounds. Use bellows heavily, even on super light. Velocity not like Playing keyboard. Have Roland set for super bellows. It is useable but lots of bellow action. Even tried fixed bellows.
I understand the difference between velocity and volume. Appears velocity curve not the same as when playing the keys. Any ideas?
I can see a huge advantage of this when performing. Can have unlimited sounds and layers. Up to 3 on Korg plus the accordion. The Korg does a great job on the accordion sounds, no editing needed.
Still need to do more testing.

 

[Keymn]

I have done some work on this...Midi out, channel 4 to my Korg Fr4x. I do notice the difference when triggering the Korg sounds. Use bellows heavily, even on super light. Velocity not like Playing keyboard. Have Roland set for super bellows. It is useable but lots of bellow action. Even tried fixed bellows.
I understand the difference between velocity and volume. Appears velocity curve not the same as when playing the keys. Any ideas?
I can see a huge advantage of this when performing. Can have unlimited sounds and layers. Up to 3 on Korg plus the accordion. The Korg does a great job on the accordion sounds, no editing needed.
Still need to do more testing.

Has anybody seen this video. I just got a used bk-7m. Velocity seems to work following these steps. Maybe you saw this? I thought I would add this info...but just with bk-7m, have issues with the Korg arranger velocity...

 

[torch]

The BK7m, I believe, translates the bellow dynamics (expression cc#11) into velocity somehow, while the Korg does not. I find the same to be true of Ketron devices. I have an arranger module called Desktop by V3 Sound with high quality sounds better than Ketron sounds. When I use the Desktop in the GM mode, the velocity from the FR4x is just too weak, but if I use it in its arranger mode, the velocity works well. The Desktop translates the bellows dynamics into velocity, and also it has a setting to boost the velocity level for the treble sides.

Once I tried the FR4x and FR3x with the BK7m side by side. The FR3x works perfect in terms of the treble velocity level, and the 4x is much weaker than the 3x on the treble velocity.

I don't know if I posted on this forum but a manager at Roland US asked me to send him email. He added his notes to my email and forwarded it to the Japanese engineers. I hope they would come out with a new firmware/OS.

 

[Keymn]

The BK7m, I believe, translates the bellow dynamics (expression cc#11) into velocity somehow, while the Korg does not. I find the same to be true of Ketron devices. I have an arranger module called Desktop by V3 Sound with high quality sounds better than Ketron sounds. When I use the Desktop in the GM mode, the velocity from the FR4x is just too weak, but if I use it in its arranger mode, the velocity works well. The Desktop translates the bellows dynamics into velocity, and also it has a setting to boost the velocity level for the treble sides.

Once I tried the FR4x and FR3x with the BK7m side by side. The FR3x works perfect in terms of the treble velocity level, and the 4x is much weaker than the 3x on the treble velocity.

I dont know if I posted on this forum but a manager at Roland US asked me to send him email. He added his notes to my email and forwarded it to the Japanese engineers. I hope they would come out with a new firmware/OS.

When Midi first came out, thought it was the universal language. Not?

 

[torch]

Yes, velocity, expression (cc#11) are all part of the MIDI protocol, but you can manipulate MIDI data to accomplish what you want to do. For instance, change basic accordion midi channel 1 for the treble, channel 2 for the chord, and ch 3 for the bass all to channel 1 so that all the notes you play on the treble, chord, and bass are transmitted on midi channel 1. That takes some kind of "translation" or conversion. This can be very useful when playing split patches in keyboards/synths from an accordion.

 

[Keymn]

Yes, velocity, expression (cc#11) are all part of the MIDI protocol, but you can manipulate MIDI data to accomplish what you want to do. For instance, change basic accordion midi channel 1 for the treble, channel 2 for the chord, and ch 3 for the bass all to channel 1 so that all the notes you play on the treble, chord, and bass are transmitted on midi channel 1. That takes some kind of translation or conversion. This can be very useful when playing split patches in keyboards/synths from an accordion.

Little much for me to grasp, but I will study what you said. I have a great interest in this.

A little disappointed in the BK-7M. There is no program setting for the pedal for One Touch 1-4, Just UP1/2, as far as I know.

Another item, Roland LA, Said the Vaccordions Register buttons do not send out a midi message? Not sure why? It would be a good thing! Am I wrong?

Programmed the accordion top row bass buttons to trigger Ending, Variation 1-4 on the Bk-7m.
I need the BK-7m to be triggered quickly on my shows, no time to fiddle with program settings! No problem with the Korg!