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In a post elsewhere, Corinto remarked on the price differences between Spain, Belgium and the UK for thesame Pigini instrument.

I put it to forum members that although there are reasons for these differences, most of us have no real idea what these reasons are. We hope of course that it is not simply greed on the part of the shops and importers.
Can any informed member enlighten us?
 
Its pretty much the same as new Weltmeister accordions. In Germany they are much cheaper than in England, even with the free postage.
 
98% of the musical instrument manufacture's today set a retail price for there products and in most cases this price is 30% more that a music dealer pays for his or her stock. Some dealers are capable of receiving a larger profit margin by purchasing a larger quantity of stock over a set period of time. Almost all of the larger manufacture's such as Roland, Yamaha, Pigini and many other well known brands have a set or MAPP price - that is a bottom price set by the maker that cannot be lowered. If a dealer is found to sell a product under this price the distributor will then pull his or her dealership. The auto industry also uses this practice. A dealer uses the retail price of their stock and then discounts their prices depending on things like overhead and competing prices. Buying from a local dealer in most cases will cost you more but you get a product that will have an extended guarantee, expert service, and added accessories. Buying a product for a lower price from a non stocking dealer or on line may seem to be a bargain but in most cases you will wind up with a orphan product that has no extended guarantee, service and stripped of accessories. There a other factors such as A or B stock quality. B stock in most cases is a factory 2nd and you will find quite a few of these are sold by an online dealer as A stock or factory 1st. And of course your country's import tax will change prices sometimes dramatically. JIM D.
 
Its good to compare prices, and learn more about differences in price structures and their reasons/origins.
Lets also be careful not to accelerate the race to the bottom...
A good and cheap accordion is a myth, because of the many parts and complex assemblage.

If we compare total prices, we must indeed analyze:
- price of production and assemblage
- differences in international tax systems
- differences in contract agreements
- cooperative structures in the accordion industry
- consequences of price evolutions
- consequences for the employment in the accordion industry...

See article NY Times about Castelfidardo:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/02/business/global/02accordions.html?_r=0

See e.g. Maugein in France, december 2013
http://www.lemonde.fr/emploi/articl...-redressement-judiciaire_4332623_1698637.html
 
If I may add another element for price differences:
the influence of international exchange currency rates (e.g. the British pound sterling and the Euro) and the consequences on import/export.

Spain and Belgium are in the Euro monetary union, both using the Euro.
Britain choose not to enter the Euro monetary union.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you loose...
 
This is a forum with members from around the world and I'm not sure global comparisons will work.
The OP was really about prices in Europe and answering some of those questions might be a good place to start.
Some thoughts:
Varying tax? VAT in UK = 20%, Spain and Belgium = 21%, a small difference but in the wrong direction.
Minimum pricing? It may go on but I thought Retail Price Maintenance was outlawed in Europe?
Exchange rates ( £ vs Euro): The Euro is at about 83pence.
From another post:
1796 EUR in Spain - 1990 EUR in Belgium - 2200 GBP (= 2669 EUR) in UK
Even if the Euro appreciated to parity (£1 = 1Euro) there would still be a big difference.
I assume the prices are for similar service ie not a specialist vs a "boxshifter."

Clearly a good accordion doesn't come cheap but that doesn't explain price variations inside Europe's single market.
Perhaps a (UK) retailer might show some flexibility if asked?
Perhaps business taxes (eg Business Rate in UK) make trading more expensive?
I don't feel the question has really been answered so far.
 
I don't know if the 21% - 20 % = 1 % is "the wrong direction" :-)
That's a political-economic issue :-)
You can't isolate the Accordion Industry or Musical Instruments Makers Industry from the global economy. VAT is just one element.

This topic is a difficult one, and I'll try to keep it at the accordion retail shop level, but if you want to analyse it, we would need economists and math analysis.

The guarantee (2 years in the EU), shop service, maintenance and repair services,... are also to be considered.
But I presume they are not that different in the EU , the UK, or other parts in the world.
Most of the times, accordion shops send accordions with difficult repair problems to Castelfidardo in Italy, or other repair experts.

To add another element:
The number of accordion music shops/retail sellers in 1 country. The more dealers, more competitive prices.
Belgium is a bad example for comparing with England, because Belgium has got very very few music shops that offer accordions. Most of the time the Castelfidardo makers choose 1 dealer, eg Pigini has 1 dealer, Borsini has got 1, Bugari 1, Mengascini, and so on... . This is not ideal for competitive prices. Some Belgians go to Germany or France, or Italy, for accordions. The accordion market in Belgium is rather small.
In England I suppose you have more dealers for each brand of accordion.
It's better to compare England with France, Spain, Germany.

One should also look at the number of sellers/dealers per country, and compare the numbers. Maybe in Spain there is more competition between dealers than in Belgium.

another element at production level: accordion companies/makers that use off shore companies/constructions for tax avoidance strategies...
Different international production sites

Indeed, a very interesting topic :-)
 
Just to lob in a different perspective. In Guernsey we aren't part of the EU, so I can order an accordion VAT free, which makes a significant difference if you are purchasing a bespoke instrument. Having said that, I bought my Serenellini second hand and was able to do some good negotiating on the price. Almost every Accordion seller in the UK I spoke to was happy to move on price a bit here and there. I think it depends on what you are after and how good you are at striking a deal and how much you understand the margins that a retailer has to play with.
 
I know here in the U.S. some dealers are selling the Roland FR8X for less than $5900, while others have quoted near $7000. However, some offer free lessons and added accessories. Whether you want or need those is another story though.
 
Stephen said:
I dont know if the 21% - 20 % = 1 % is the wrong direction :-)
Thats a political-economic issue :-)
He means it doesnt help explain why its cheaper abroad = wrong direction..
 
It's not Exchange rates or VAT.

Exchange rates fluctuation explains why prices move up or down relative to another countries currency, not why the the price is different when converted to the same currency - 'Monetary Union' is irrelevant in this context

Within Europe you should pay your own countries VAT on an import, as export is sold VAT free and Vat is paid on the import.

And competition laws in Europe HAVE made price maintenance illegal. There maybe exemptions but even if Accordion manufacture was one ('to maintain the industry') that wouldn't allow fixing/setting different prices amongst EU member states - 'Monetary Union' is irrelevant in this context, too.
 
Exchange rates do play a role in economics and in price policies.
Exchange rate policy
The exchange rate of an economy affects aggregate demand through its effect on export and import prices, and policy makers may exploit this connection.
Deliberately altering exchange rates to influence the macro-economic environment may be regarded as a type of monetary policy. Changes in exchanges rates initially work there way into an economy via their effect on prices.
Source: http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Managing_the_economy/Exchange_rate_policy.html

In the first place, we are interested mainly in accordions and music instruments, but when you open an honest debate on price differences, you may want to consider all possible factors.
The concept of monetary unions in history, from very early on in history, there have been many monetary unions in history (and today there are many), is very relevant in commerce, international trade, price evolution, and so on... Its not irrelevant, but I agree, it is a very difficult topic.
The concept and utility of monetary unions is object of well balanced studies. Monetary unions can have in some cases advantages, but certainly also disadvantages. Source:
http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Global_economics/Monetary_Union.html
 
See also on this hyperlink, somewhere at the bottom the page (http://www.economicsonline.co.uk/Global ... Union.html):
The topic of price evolution within a monetary union:
Have prices converged?
The single currency does not appear to have led to any great reduction in price differences across Europe. It was thought that price transparency would have brought prices much closer together, but, without perfectly free trade and TAX HARMONISATION, price differences are still likely. For example, considerable price differences in many basic products, such as cigarettes, ...

Tax harmonisation within a monetary union with a lot of member states is, as you know, not an easy political debate...
A monetary union is not always a political union...
Many economists break their heads over this topic, especially in the current 2007-2014... financial and economic crisis.

The accordion industry is not an easy business:
you dont have control over customers demand (sales can drop dramatically very fast, as in the 1950s-1960s, youth changed to the (electrical) guitar, following Elvis and co...)
you dont have control over many production factors (wood, metals, machinery, ...)
the assembly process can no longer be simplified (they could use some 3D printing for some parts, but still...)
changing personnel wages
monetary policies (production within the EU, Castelfidardo ; export/sales outside the EU zone to eg UK, USA, ...)

The accordion industry needs cooperation, quality, reduced quantity (for top quality instruments), and above all: love and determination for the accordion.
In Castelfidardo many are united in the Consorzio Music Marche Accordions
via Paolo Soprani, 2
60022 Castelfidardo (AN) - Italy
http://www.music-marche.com/en/index.htm
 
Jeez - Now I read it all & the links, that IS interesting...Stephen. Thank you. :hb
 
So - I am in the USA - Where is the cheapest country in the world to buy a Pigini 43/B?
 
You can find the best price on a Pigini in the US by contacting - http://www.falcettimusic.com which is a Pigini distributor. If you give Falcettis a call ask to speak to Sam Falcetti or yours truly: JIM D.
 
Thanks for the info. Sam was very helpfu and Busso also gave me a quote, but I am still looking for the cheapest place in the world to buy my Pigini (or any other good C system converter w 3 reeds in the treble). They are almost impossible to find used in the US.
 
When looking for a Pigini always look at Titano and Excelsior accordions with the same equipment. Titano's and Excelsior's are made by Pigini and just have different badges and different grills. The prices can vary as much as $100.00 to $200.00 .
 
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