muscle memory

[accordian]

ive been playing song of storms for a couple of hours to get the jump from e to f and f to e correct and after playing for a couple hours i started to find that there was alot more correct jumps rather than incorrect to the point where i would say nearly 100% i then took a break and practiced somewhere else only to find that my technique had gone straight out the window to be fair i'm wasn't playing the second time in the same chair (first time i was sitting a computer chair the second a arm chair and so the computer chair I had a good posture where as the arm chair the seat cushions are angled back a little bit and so my legs push my accordion higher a little).

(does this sound correct)



I understand that some things take more practice to others but when getting it correct close to 100% I didn't quite expect to fall back.

 

[JeffJetton]

I understand that some things take more practice to others but when getting it correct close to 100% I didnt quite expect to fall back.

Very common. Happens all the time.

Whats weird is that youre going to go to sleep tonight and probably wind up being able to play it great again tomorrow! The brain is funny that way.

 

[george garside]

muscles don't have any memory. The memory is in the autonomous part of the brain which sends the correct signals down the arm to operate the bellows , treble and bass correctly for a particular tune. This works in much the same way as the operation of the mouth to sing a particular song or preventing us from peeing most of the time but opening the valve so to do when we are in the firing position so to speak..

In mechanical terms the muscles can be equated to servo motors providing movement to various hinged joints, valves or whatever

The term muscle memory is just shorthand for these actions.

George

 

[accordian]

I understand that some things take more practice to others but when getting it correct close to 100% I didnt quite expect to fall back.

Very common. Happens all the time.

Whats weird is that youre going to go to sleep tonight and probably wind up being able to play it great again tomorrow! The brain is funny that way.

I sure hope so

 

[accordian]

muscles dont have any memory. The memory is in the autonomous part of the brain which sends the correct signals down the arm to operate the bellows , treble and bass correctly for a particular tune. This works in much the same way as the operation of the mouth to sing a particular song or preventing us from peeing most of the time but opening the valve so to do when we are in the firing position so to speak..

In mechanical terms the muscles can be equated to servo motors providing movement to various hinged joints, valves or whatever

The term muscle memory is just shorthand for these actions.

George

would you that where I sit will make a difference?

 

[george garside]

not so much where you sit but how you sit in terms of feeling comfortable and relaxed. It should also help if you play a tune just because you enjoy playing it , even if slowly and not 100% ''correct'' . A lade back attitude with no conscious attempt to 'learn' or 'remember' a tune seems to enable it to drift into the processor/memory bank all by itself so that when you wake up the following morning it has more or less sorted itself out.

Trying hard to 'learn and remember' a tune is a recipe for not so doing!

george

 

[Glenn]

George is of course right, muscles don’t have memories but they do have access to one in the cloud. It’s known as the brain. Our experience of one moment doing it well and the next getting it horribly wrong if unfortunately quite common. Always ensuring you sit with the same posture and accordion position is a part of the key to use the cloud memory correctly. Good luck with the practicing.


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[jozz]

But why don't you take baby steps (jumps in this case). You seem to jump right in the deep end of the pool. I think, muscle memory is trained by repetition of recognizable patterns, not by repeating one detail over and over again.

 

[Anyanka]

I agree with George re muscle memory... there's no such thing. What repeated practice actually does is to create and re-inforce neural pathways. A simple change like a different seating position could be enough of a difference for you to not find that neural pathway you made earlier...

Also, armchairs are simply no good for accordion playing! Try to always start practice with a good seat & good posture; it's very easy to do yourself injury with an accordion

 

[JeffJetton]

Muscles don't have memory, but that doesn't mean the term "muscle memory" is wrong. One could take it to mean "the sort of memory related to the movement of muscles".

That is, "muscle" is describing the type of memory, similar to "photographic memory" or "fond memory".

 

[reivilos92]

Muscles dont have memory, but that doesnt mean the term muscle memory is wrong. One could take it to mean the sort of memory related to the movement of muscles.

That is, muscle is describing the type of memory, similar to photographic memory or fond memory.

I agree. I can play a few songs I leanrt from ear without even knowning which chord I am playing, just because I have remembered the chain of movements and all. Thats what I would call muscle memory.

I have been thinking thats a bad habit from the day I realized being able to jump from E to F using muscle memory would not help me jump from B to C... or if the start position of the hand was not exactly the same I would land elsewhere.

Instead I strive to picture in my mind B E A D G C F all at once. Now I have no issue moving around because I know exactly where to hit.
Try this: close your eyes and keep your right hand flat on a table. Pick a right-hand finger at random. Can you hit that finger with your left hand without opening your eyes?

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[accordian]

I agree with George re muscle memory... theres no such thing. What repeated practice actually does is to create and re-inforce neural pathways. A simple change like a different seating position could be enough of a difference for you to not find that neural pathway you made earlier...

Also, armchairs are simply no good for accordion playing! Try to always start practice with a good seat & good posture; its very easy to do yourself injury with an accordion

hmm

Dedicated chair maybe?

 

[accordian]

thanks for all the responses

so I've got another related question

someone said that they imagine the order / layout of the buttons as they play does that mean I should just press the buttons or should I think every movement through as at the moment i'm just playing it and not thinking about it. to the point where some times the e key will feel higher than usual but will still be correct

 

[george garside]

avoid thinking - it can be very dangerous!

george ;)

 

[accordian]

avoid thinking - it can be very dangerous!

george ;) [/quote] lol

 

[accordian]

thanks for all your guys advice