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If you wish, it always had. Since the time some genius invented a box with bellows imitating some other instruments (look at the registers' names).

Seriously, how many instruments were at starters just an imitation - Hammond electric organs, anybody? Question is, would we use them to imitate or to play some new and original ways.
Just a thought.
Hammond organs never were an imitation but a substitute. Similar with Rhodes electric pianos. And similarly with many organ registers (German style) like "vox humana" or "flauto" or "bombard". The imitation game has mostly come about with digital synthesis and samples. And those are so closely tied to an original that they don't really have much of a life of their own.

Their main use case is for solo entertainers where already the setup makes clear that it is kind of a cost to result compromise (mind you: it can be an excellent compromise depending on who you get).
 
depends on the use and need

for the last 35 years or so i have used complex portable
setups, with MIDI backgrounds running through top quality
soundbanks, the purpose being to give the audience in ANY setting
and i mean anywhere from private home, to a garden party to an
amphitheatre to a Church Auditorium to a Vineyard to a Stadium
a live Professional quality rendering of the music they love.
When i first started moving away from the Quartet format,
i did duets with MIDI (Vocalists, Trumpet, Drummer) but gradually
it ended up just me, solo..

in other words the MIDI parts are playing in real time, i do the rest..
the Vocals the lead lines the bass the hooks, and with authentic
sounds (when accordion reeds are not appropriate) hence using
a MIDI accordion or a Digital accordion

this has been a very rewarding and fulfilling way to give the gift of
Music to many people.. sometimes i am just adding to the ambiance,
sometimes as the main event, always stirring memories by being
true to the songs. That means playing the songs the way they live
in the memories of the people, using whenever possible sounds that
also reflect the original and much loved hit version..

sure, in the privacy of my studio i do some accordion only
arrangements, but i seldom play for accordionists,, on occasion i have
done some deeply accordion takes on songs like Angel Eyes,
'Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, and other songs that I love because of
Sinatra or Torme of Mathis or Ella

my way has always been driven by the simple fact that i am a
fan too, a fan of the music, of the hits, of the creators and
performers.. and so the way i have done it all is to be as true
to that as possible.. i am lucky that i have been able to
use all these great musical tools, a mix of traditional and
high tech instruments and gear, and put my systems together,
and believe me i am also very thankful this kind of equipment
came to fruition in my lifetime

the trip i have been on is FAR from being a dead end
Very well said Ventura ....................thank you for sharing your thoughts
 
Hammond organs never were an imitation but a substitute.
Perhaps I didn't understand the depth of your thought: what is the difference?
 
Perhaps I didn't understand the depth of your thought: what is the difference?
Laurens Hammond developed the Hammond in 1935 as a cheap alternative to the pipe organ.. There was a live demo where a blindfolded audience listened to a pipe organ and a Hammond organ. In the test, many could not tell the difference.
 
when Laurens Hammond first introduced his (clockwork inspired)
organs he did it by inviting the top Liturgical organists in the
major Cities to blind listening events.. Yes, he was offering
an ALTERNATIVE that had a tone and the power, but was not
an electrical imitation of a Pipe organ, as, for example, the Allen
or Rogers organs were (in coming years)

thousands of smaller churches who did not have the
money or space for a Pipe Organ now had a great Organ..
the Baptists especially took great advantage of this, and remember,
by the standards of that time the Hammond was "portable"
so where you saw reed-organs at a regional revival events..
now you began to see and hear Hammonds in the countryside
at Granges and other gathering places
 
Well, I just perused a lot of this thread and read about everything from the korg to Jerry's potential retirement/pregnancy (congrats either way)
I turn 65 on the 26th of July, its a retirement in likely August, I'll see what happens, and we're down from 9 months to 3 and a bit... lol

But I think it's kind of a musical dead end. ...so is it an expensive and intriguing toy for people to amuse themselves with, or maybe it would be useful in the recording studio?
In the 80"s I made a more than decent living gigging and playing in restaurants and events with the Elkavox and arrangers, it was mostly as a single musician sounding like a group... drums, background, organs, trumpets, strings and other sounds as well as accordion.

I still see accordionists do similar things today, but it's very niche. The newer accordions (4X, 8X, Fisa, etc) can make that process easier and sound better. It will never sound like a real full orchestra, but to the people dancing on the dance floor, sitting, eating and enjoying the music, does it really matter? Not to them, they could not care that its 50% or 100% as authentic as a "real" whatever sound, they just hear it and enjoy it.

For me, I feel a bit of the same way, maybe that's why I enjoy the acoustic and digital sides and the diversity they offer.
 
Perhaps I didn't understand the depth of your thought: what is the difference?
A substitute serves the same purpose, an imitation tries to be taken for the real thing. A substitute can add functionality and purpose over the original while an imitation does not try to do anything that the original doesn't. A substitute may go for "low-hanging" fruit enabled by its different work mechanism. For an imitation, that would be pointless.
 
when Laurens Hammond first introduced his (clockwork inspired)
organs he did it by inviting the top Liturgical organists in the
major Cities to blind listening events.. Yes, he was offering
an ALTERNATIVE that had a tone and the power, but was not
an electrical imitation of a Pipe organ, as, for example, the Allen
or Rogers organs were (in coming years)

thousands of smaller churches who did not have the
money or space for a Pipe Organ now had a great Organ..
the Baptists especially took great advantage of this, and remember,
by the standards of that time the Hammond was "portable"
so where you saw reed-organs at a regional revival events..
now you began to see and hear Hammonds in the countryside
at Granges and other gathering places
AMEN!!
 
I turn 65 on the 26th of July, its a retirement in likely August, I'll see what happens, and we're down from 9 months to 3 and a bit... lol


In the 80"s I made a more than decent living gigging and playing in restaurants and events with the Elkavox and arrangers, it was mostly as a single musician sounding like a group... drums, background, organs, trumpets, strings and other sounds as well as accordion.

I still see accordionists do similar things today, but it's very niche. The newer accordions (4X, 8X, Fisa, etc) can make that process easier and sound better. It will never sound like a real full orchestra, but to the people dancing on the dance floor, sitting, eating and enjoying the music, does it really matter? Not to them, they could not care that its 50% or 100% as authentic as a "real" whatever sound, they just hear it and enjoy it.

For me, I feel a bit of the same way, maybe that's why I enjoy the acoustic and digital sides and the diversity they offer.
Jerry I have to agree with you completely the 80's ,90' ,2000 to 2019 up to Covid for me were the wonderful golden times for me and my acoustic midi accordion c/w Technic smac 1200 accomps module . Always booked up ................. so many different types of gigs !!..... too many to mention !! but still alive in my memory bank !!!
Whatever instrument you play enjoy making music and entertaining your Audience !! the important thing is that you play !!!!

Do you know why the Good lord gave us a left arm and hand ?

Answer ..................so we can squeeze the bellows of our Accordions !!!
some can even Bellow shake !!!!!!.................show off's !!!! Ha Ha Ha
 
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A substitute serves the same purpose, an imitation tries to be taken for the real thing.
There was a live demo where a blindfolded audience listened to a pipe organ and a Hammond organ. In the test, many could not tell the difference.
:cool:
 
A substitute can add functionality and purpose over the original while an imitation does not try to do anything that the original doesn't.
The former sounds like Roland/Korg accordions' features (let alone the orchestral part, the ability to mix and match different reeds in one register, etc.).
 
Technic smac 1200 accomps module . Always booked up ................. so many different types of gigs !!.....
you have had some great equipment.. that Technics (and the Syntaccordion)

sadly Technics pulled the plug on their MusicInstrument division
here in the USA just before that was released.. i did not know
at that time Technics Europe continued awhille longer and that the
rumoured module had become reality..

the Sax sound of that series was mind-blowing and so useful
even on their keyboards.. i can imagine with Bellows control it
would have been damn near perfect
 
you have had some great equipment.. that Technics (and the Syntaccordion)

sadly Technics pulled the plug on their MusicInstrument division
here in the USA just before that was released.. i did not know
at that time Technics Europe continued awhille longer and that the
rumoured module had become reality..

the Sax sound of that series was mind-blowing and so useful
even on their keyboards.. i can imagine with Bellows control it
would have been damn near perfect
Yes great module .....I was in a little show where the keyboard player played for the show and backed 3 girl singers called American Tan and did a glenn miller songs routine ....they were very good but the keyboard player was playing a technics KN5000 single manual keyboard . he used technics Glenn miller style disks playing and backing for the singers ....the styles were Bang on the Money .
He told me about the smac 1200 module could do the same ...I bought the smac 1200 plus all the wonderful first class styles for virtually every style of music and Genre they were spot on !!!...................i bought all the styles !!! I was on my way !!! so to speak so many gig came my way .
Unfortunately Technics was just a small cog in the Matashita japanese consumer Electronics corporation making many things including tv etc .
Technics turnover was peanuts to them and they pulled the plug on Technics .............many key people working in style development went to Yamaha ..................................that knowledge really helped Yamaha ......................the rest is history !!
when Technics stopped trading ...it felt like a death in the family !!
 
The Private FISA forum. Seems you were not the first, this one happened before you and is now resolved. Since you are our "local FISA guy", hopefully you can let us know about your experience, it would be great to get info first hand.
Looks like the other replacement was for a different issue. I was told that it happened to one other person already when I reported my issue.

Just got an update from my dealer that the issue has been remediated. Mine is getting shipped out to me next week.
 
Failure to act quickly would be a serious sales and marketing mistake .
I do not think Korg management will allow it to drag on .
I completely agree, especially at this early stage of release, but things like this happen all the time. Sometimes the manufacturers move fast, sometimes they pretend it doesn't even happen and don't bother.

Korg looks to be one of those that cares and is moving as fast as possible. :)

Excelsior did not move at all when they used a defective glue that seeped through the pads and stuck them to the palette (not that they were the only ones either)... lol
 
I completely agree, especially at this early stage of release, but things like this happen all the time. Sometimes the manufacturers move fast, sometimes they pretend it doesn't even happen and don't bother.

Korg looks to be one of those that cares and is moving as fast as possible. :)

Excelsior did not move at all when they used a defective glue that seeped through the pads and stuck them to the palette (not that they were the only ones either)... lol
Not just Excelsior: everyone in Italy was using the pads with defective glue. I saw a "Klebe-Bugari" accordion from the same time period. Afaik none of the accordion factories issued a recall to fix the problem then.
And similarly there was a case of pads with defective glue about 10 years ago, the difference being that the pads only started sticking after about 7 years. Again, no recall (though I did get replacement pallets with pads for free).
 
Not just Excelsior: everyone in Italy was using the pads with defective glue.
I was aware, but the Excelsior one was the item that affected me personally.
And similarly there was a case of pads with defective glue about 10 years ago, the difference being that the pads only started sticking after about 7 years. Again, no recall (though I did get replacement pallets with pads for free).
Good for you, at least you got something out of it... I really wasn't expecting anything, the Morino was after all, over 50 years old at the time... lol. I believe if I had not stopped playing it regularly, it would have taken even longer to show up.
 
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