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We have a section called "I like that" but I wondered if there are accordion "standards" that you don't like.

Here is one that I don't like ( I am assuming that this particular song may indeed be recognised as a "standard". This has been discussed elsewhere on the forum already ) - La valse d'Amelie.

Are there any standards that you don't like and even dislike ( if that is a word )?

Of course, the model of accordion used in performance and the skills of the performer can sometimes compensate and even bring you round but there are those songs/pieces that sometimes just can't be warmed to in my experience and this is one of them ( so far ).
 
Great idea to talk about what we do not like!

La valse dAmelie is a bit recent to be a standard already. I do not particularly like it but it has something special: originally it is played in MM register on what sounds like a relatively small accordion without cassotto and with rather mild tremolo.
What I do not like at all is anything played with Amsterdam tuning. It doesnt matter which song, it always sounds awful.

In terms of songs I absolutely do not like: a dutch classic called de vogeltjesdans (translates to the small birds dance).
Check out https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=de+vogeltjesdans+accordeon
and let us know here whether you agree this is rather ridiculous.
 
Phil,

I absolutely detest that same tune. Sadder than a torn up lottery ticket, but it seems you and I are part of a minute club who share the same view. If it ever becomes a classic then I'm going back to the harmonica. I could add at least 50 awful standard French musette tunes to the list, and more from elsewhere.

Paul,

Hector Delfosse would be turning in his grave as I'm sure it was he, a fellow Belgian (albeit a Wallon), who actually claims to have composed that very tune, "La danse des canards". I can hack Amsterdam tuning for a couple of tunes but would agree it is pretty nerve jangling stuff.
 
Paul - that is truly awful. I am not a fan of what was known as "The Birdie Song" anyway and played in this way does it no favours.
 
Oooo, an interesting twist on this theme, and a subject worthy of consideration.

I have no interest in accordion music at all. What does float my sampan is music that I like and want to play. It doesn't matter one iota where it is from, who wrote it, or who thinks it is good, as my only yardstick is personal preference.

The "Birdie Song" was never a favourite of mine, though I recall how very popular it became when it was released in the 70's.

I can appreciate virtuosity when I see/hear it, but that doesn't mean that I will necessarily like the tune. It is not a sin to say that you don't like something, even if the player is a gifted denizen of the accordion world.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
 
Great idea!

In my country (Mexico), you only hear accordion in norteño and cumbia almost exclusively, and i really dislike those. This is an example of a decent (one that i actually can stand) song

Another downside is that there are a lot of diatonic accordions for sale and only a few PAs (wont even talk about chromatic, those things are a myth here)
 
Hi vaeel,

I like that tune, and it is a reminder that in the right hands accordions of any type can be used to break the mould from the traditional stuff.

Here in Europe many countries have national and regional accordion styles, and in some places the audiences just won't tolerate any deviation from what they regard as "their" traditional music.

In a lot of cases the tunes existed before the accordion was invented, but have now become indelibly linked with the instrument. I've been listening to accordion music for about 60 years, and a lot of those same tunes turn over and over in my head until I get absolutely sick and tired of them.

Some absolutely brilliant modern players have attempted to diversify from the accepted accordion clichés, and are to be commended for their efforts. However, for as long as audiences continue to associate the accordion with particular styles, they have a very steep hill to climb.
 
Stephen Hawkins post_id=63089 time=1537655973 user_id=1440 said:
Oooo, an interesting twist on this theme, and a subject worthy of consideration.

I have no interest in accordion music at all. What does float my sampan is music that I like and want to play. It doesnt matter one iota where it is from, who wrote it, or who thinks it is good, as my only yardstick is personal preference.

The Birdie Song was never a favourite of mine, though I recall how very popular it became when it was released in the 70s.

I can appreciate virtuosity when I see/hear it, but that doesnt mean that I will necessarily like the tune. It is not a sin to say that you dont like something, even if the player is a gifted denizen of the accordion world.

Stephen,

The issue is that if it wasnt for accordion music, the makers would have pulled the shutters down in the 70s. It wouldnt have been worthwhile to make accordions just on the off chance that people might want to play a selection of non accordion music on them. Up here in the 50s and 60s the Italian makers couldnt make them fast enough for us. The accordion survived the rock n roll era, but by the time Deep Purple (remember them?) had arrived the accordion shops were in deep soot.

My 20 year old granddaughter lived with us for a few years recently, and would often ask me why I bothered to play something as antiquated as an accordion. I told her it was once very popular and she said she had seen a poster advertising accordion music at her college. She also said she had considered going, but the poster mentioned something called Scottish Country Dancing, and she remembered that my wife had told her that she used to do the dances as a child. I cannot print her reasons for no wanting to get involved, but it sort of summed up the attitudes of todays youth with regard to the accordion scene. Yes, there are scores of up and coming youngsters, but they arent exactly household names any more.

As Ive indicated, if I worked on it I could probably create a list of accordion tunes that I just cannot abide, and maybe a bigger list of non accordion tunes that people feel the need to play on accordions. However, it is those tunes that tend to keep the factories open (just), and which draw most of us to the instrument

There are thousands of contemporary professional accordionists worldwide who can play loads of different styles of music, but the majority of them arent brave enough to break away from accordion music. That is a major part of the problem. You have to be a special kind of player to be able to pull an accordion out of its case and mesmerise an audience with non accordion music.

As you say, playing for the fun of it is what its all about, and I suppose most of us take the instrument far too seriously. You can clown around with something as universal as a guitar and few people will probably object, but do the same with an accordion and youll never hear the end of it.

So, now Ive got that sorted, where the hell did I put that harmonica? I want to learn Jingle Bells on it before Xmas so that I can impress all those who are fed up with my efforts on the accordion.
 
Dutch traditional / old amsterdam is probably the lowest accordion music can get.

But it is fun to play in such a band :mrgreen:
 
jozz post_id=63098 time=1537695669 user_id=2600 said:
Dutch traditional / old amsterdam is probably the lowest accordion music can get.

You sure? I would have voted for German accordion music as the most awful....

Generally, same as Stephen, I dislike pretty much everything that is standard accordion fodder - all the technically challenging polkas and tarantellas etc that are devoid of expression and feeling.

I love the Valse dAmelie, by the way. We used to play it in the No.1 Ladies Accordion Orchestra, with 4 different parts for accordion and one for glockenspiel ;) Beautiful.
 
StargazerTony post_id=63106 time=1537711687 user_id=2434 said:
I used to like La valse dAmelie then I heard La Noyee and forgot all about it.
Thanks for that - I like it so Ive downloaded the sheet music !
 
Paul,

In terms of songs I absolutely do not like: a dutch classic called de vogeltjesdans (translates to the small birds dance).
Check out https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... +accordeon
and let us know here whether you agree this is rather ridiculous.

Actually I do not join in yours and others dislike of this - however the link below is to what I would call the true birdie song and although it is not specifically accordion music it transfers very well to the accordion, being a French musette waltz.

 
Sorry Phil,

This is the only birdsong I like. Used to breed these little creatures when I was a teenager. Known as Malinois or Waterslager canaries, no accordion can touch them.

Heres every tune in their repertoire and I never tire of listening to them. The best ones sing with their beaks closed, and the ones that dont end up in the pet shop.

 
I have mixed feelings about making "I Don't Like That" an actual board on this forum.

One one hand, I can tell those of you who don't live in the United States that accordion music suffered a low point in popularity from about the middile 60's to just recently, and among many people accordion music is still viewed with ridicule and disdain. There are several explanations for this phenomenon that I won't bring up here. Maybe I'm being overly sensitive on this point, but I've lived with it for many years.

On the other hand, finding out what is undesirable in accordion music helps us to avoid those aspects and can make the image of the accordion more positive.

Alan
 
Alan said

I have mixed feelings about making I Dont Like That an actual board on this forum.

I wasnt suggesting having an actual board on this forum called I dont like that as an alternative to I like that. It was just a thread title for discussion to see if there were standards that the majority of us positively disliked.

It is interesting that more than one of us doesnt like the chicken dance song but I myself dont find it that bad.
 
Alan,

I would tend to agree with you that a board entitled I dont like that would cause a bit of consternation on the forum.

If my own experiences are anything to go by, you can post prolifically on the I like that thread and very few people will acknowledge that they agree with your choice, or otherwise.

However, as soon as you declare a dislike of a certain type of music, or even a certain tune, then somebody is going to break their cage door open and start hitting you with a big stick. I still have scars from speaking my mind on here in that very respect. I love a lot of different accordion styles and players, but even among those I often have profound dislikes.

We can all agree that the reason were on here is that we love the accordion, but try and get three of us to agree on the same choice of listening material and its a tough battle.

Were now even getting into the realms of whether the accordion should be used to play certain music that is not traditionally played on it.

Here is an example of a real accordion player who knows no boundaries. I discovered him the other day, by accident. Just ask him to play something and hell have a go at it. Jazz, folk, classical, South American, French, Balkan, North African. Now I bet he hates one or two tunes as well, and maybe even one or more of the so called genres. Bet most of you wont like it as its not really identifiable as accordion music, or is it? He seems to be enjoying playing it even if hes second fiddle to a xylophonist. Never thought Id find two of the worlds most popular instruments together, but if you shut the door on tradition it gets easier.

 
Hi John, et al,

"if you shut the door on tradition it gets easier." That is exactly how I view the accordion and its uses.

I will NOT conform to the strictures of people who claim some sort of supremacy over what can or should be played on accordions. What I play is a reflection of my personal taste in music, and my repertoire contains an eclectic mix of tunes from several genres of music. Some of the tunes I play (I have recently discovered) date from the 1920's, but most cover a period from the 1930's to the 1970's.

To get onto my musical repertoire, the only criteria I employ is whether I like a tune. If I like it, it's in. It is just that simple. As for the "sacred cows" of accordion music, nothing would persuade me to play them.

Kind Regards,

Stephen.
 
Stephen,

You've hit the nail squarely on the napper as we say up here. I adopted the same attitude as you did when I first expressed interest in being an accordion owner. They told me that I'd need to be able to play reels, waltzes, polkas, and other dance music relative to the instrument, and I walked away thinking that if that was the case I'd be better wasting my money on drink.

In recent years I decided to rip up all the accordion culture maps, and put another two fingers up to any type of accordion music that tied me to one style or one area. IMHO that's just tying your hands behind your back in the name of somebody's tradition.

Some of the modern stuff is just too way out for my liking, but you may have noticed that I once regularly posted a very eclectic mix on the "I like that" board, until I got the message that I was preaching to a minute audience (me).

The fact remains that most accordion lovers seem to have fairly strict criteria over the music they are prepared to listen to and play. I was part of that same clan until very recently. I'll now listen to just about anything on the accordion, whether it is from Tierra del Fuego or Turkmenistan. I often have absolutely no idea of what style or genre I'm listening to, far less the name of the tune. I might even try to play some of the stuff I like, but by the time I've found the score for it I'm onto something else.

We can't all be great players, but with a certain amount of application we can work at being world class listeners. Mind you if they start to grade listeners the same as they do players, then I'm back to the comb and paper.
 
It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing.....<EMOJI seq="1f609">?</EMOJI>
Honest emotion is easier for me to listen to over blistering pyrotechnics....
I find accordion music tends to show off the accordionists fingers rather than enrapture the listeners ears.....music isn't there to be watched....
 
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