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How to store accordions that are played daily

Wheezer

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I have several instruments and play them regularly; generally every day or two. I have been keeping them out, but covered with a fabric cover to keep the dust out. I do this because it is a pain to take 3 or 4 accordions out of their cases every day and then put them back in. I have been assuming that between playing them frequently and keeping them covered, there is no need to pack them back up every day.

What do you experts think about this practice?
 
That's certainly good practice, provide that you keep all accordions in the playing orientation, not on their feet.
I do the same: accordions I play regularly I simply place on the floor, in the playing orientation, with a protective cloth over them.
 
I just did this:



The only difference from this video is that I have custom made plastic covers made for each accordion that slips on and off before use. Now in the last few months, I’ve been on a tear getting all my bigger accordions set up with 4” straps and that means that I have to re-make several of the covers so that the backs can accommodate the large straps in the rear, but basically, this is how I use them… always nice and available.

There are some serious considerations and good/bad points for storing in the playing position. I have made the choice to store them in the manner that they were designed to be stored… on their feet, not in playing position. Reeds are going to eventually need to be replaced no matter how they are stored, and I found that without a lot of extra work and support, storing them in playing position, especially accordions with extended keyboards, places them in a dangerous position where they are easy to tip and at the very least scratch in places like the bottoms of the bass box and keyboards. I hate this. Easier to change reed valves than crazy-gluing an accordion that fell 4 feet on to a concrete floor. ;)
 
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… I have made the choice to store them on their feet, not in playing position… storing them in playing position places them in a dangerous position where they are easy to tip…
I am in the same boat. If I accidentally knock one over, shame on me. If my wife accidentally knocks one over… shame on me…

I have thought about something like your shelves, but my music room is also the living room, so I would need something that is approved by the aesthetics review board. Easier said than done.
 
I have made the choice to store them in the manner that they were designed to be stored… on their feet, not in playing position.
I was advised to store my (one) accordion, played daily or not, in a space conditioned for human comfort, out of the case, on the feet, with a dust cover. Mine is a simple Hohner PA, no cassotto. For now it is under the piano where it won’t get bumped, unplayed until the left shoulder is recovered from surgery (estimated to take 5 more months).

JKJ
 
I know I'll be accused of swearing in church but, honestly, my several accordions have been lying (in their cases) flat on their backs (one in it's case on it's feet on the bedroom floor) on top of the wardrobes in the bedrooms for 35 to 50+ years without any perceptible harm.
Perhaps I'm simply tone deaf but it's worked fine for me!🙂
 
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I know I'll be accused of swearing in church but, honestly, my several accordions have been lying (in their cases) on their backs (one in it's case on it's feet on the bedroom floor) on top of the wardrobes in the bedrooms for 35 to 50+ years without any perceptible harm.
Perhaps I'm simply tone deaf but it's worked fine for me!🙂

24 years or so for my Excelsior 960 in its case when not being played - stored on the feet, essentially. Took it apart a couple years ago when I was going to sell it and took pictures of the reeds. They are pristine. Of course it's been in the house the entire time and has never seen any warmer than 78F, or colder than 65F. It's a double tone-chamber, which might make a slight difference on one set of the reeds.

In almost 50 years of playing and being around accordions I've never once seen one stored in the playing position. My accordion teacher had a room in the back of his place that looked like Jerry's. All stored on their feet. It might not be optimal, but I don't think it's harmful. I have nothing to back this up, of course, other than what I've personally seen.
 
There are like varying levels that if you do something, a bad thing will happen, some definitely worse than others.

We can all agree that high levels of heat melts wax, high levels of humidity rusts reeds and other metal parts and attacks anything cardboard and can cause mold, mildew, bad smells and eventually even wood rot.

Dropping them from any height is also considered a negative experience, dropping them down basement stairs is very bad… or so they tell me.

Storage position and gravity’s effect on valves is a given, I think that many of us have played accordions with hard curled reed valves that looked like boomerangs and said ‘hey, this sounds pretty good!”, and it could sound good, but it leaks air like a sieve, growls like the neighbour’s rottie and the entire tune is off by between 5-50 cents depending what note we hit.

Valves are one of those things that most beginners 9or some experienced players like me!), would not even know was an issue and it takes something fairly “in your face” before we notice. there are many levels of ”bad”, yes? The ears of a trained experienced person, though, would tell a much different story.

As an example, personally, I did not think the valves were bad on my Imperator, they weren’t curled or lifted much, most were 100% flat. I put her in for some spot tuning as many notes to me felt off and it turned out that with the exception of a reed that required re-waxing , no tuning was needed, but between the bass and treble, 140 valves were replaced! I thought the Imperator sounded nice before, it felt tight, but now, it is SO much more efficient and dynamic. I thought I knew what a good one felt like, but properly maintained, it is a completely different beast.

My point… what we sometimes feel is “good” in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing can show you a much different story, one that shows what it should be like. :)
 
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I have several instruments and play them regularly; generally every day or two. I have been keeping them out, but covered with a fabric cover to keep the dust out. I do this because it is a pain to take 3 or 4 accordions out of their cases every day and then put them back in. I have been assuming that between playing them frequently and keeping them covered, there is no need to pack them back up every day.

What do you experts think about this practice?
Happy New Year, Wheezer.
 
There are like varying levels that if you do something, a bad thing will happen, some definitely worse than others.

We can all agree that high levels of heat melts wax, high levels of humidity rusts reeds and other metal parts and attacks anything cardboard and can cause mold, mildew, bad smells and eventually even wood rot.

Dropping them from any height is also considered a negative experience, dropping them down basement stairs is very bad… or so they tell me.

Storage position and gravity’s effect on valves is a given, I think that many of us have played accordions with hard curled reed valves that looked like boomerangs and said ‘hey, this sounds pretty good!”, and it could sound good, but it leaks air like a sieve, growls like the neighbour’s rottie and the entire tune is off by between 5-50 cents depending what note we hit.

Valves are one of those things that most beginners 9or some experienced players like me!), would not even know was an issue and it takes something fairly “in your face” before we notice. there are many levels of ”bad”, yes? The ears of a trained experienced person, though, would tell a much different story.

As an example, personally, I did not think the valves were bad on my Imperator, they weren’t curled or lifted much, most were 100% flat. I put her in for some spot tuning as many notes to me felt off and it turned out that with the exception of a reed that required re-waxing , no tuning was needed, but between the bass and treble, 140 valves were replaced! I thought the Imperator sounded nice before, it felt tight, but now, it is SO much more efficient and dynamic. I thought I knew what a good one felt like, but properly maintained, it is a completely different beast.

My point… what we sometimes feel is “good” in the hands of someone that knows what they are doing can show you a much different story, one that shows what it should be like. :)
Happy New Year, Jerry.
 
For those who weren't here when this was discussed before, here is a picture of what happens to valves when an accordion is stored on its feet for over 10 years. These are the M reeds in cassotto. When the accordion is resting on its feet the valves you see on the left are resting (horizontally) on the outside of the reed block and the valves on the right are hanging down inside the reed block.
From outside everything thus looks pristine, yet every note (lower notes only) is slow to start and you hear a flapping noise which is the valve being sucked closed.
In the L register the same happens, but then it is on the outside reeds (and is easier to correct as you don't have to remove the reed plates to fix the problem).
The picture was taken from a Victoria PA. Because of this problem Victoria stopped using these leather valves with plastic booster springs and went back to using metal booster springs, and for the highest notes even to plastic valves instead of leather.
I am now working on an old Pigini Sirius (PA) and the highest notes in the L register were making a horrible (loud) flapping noise. For the highest notes the leather valves did not have booster springs and these valves were hanging open. I tried to bend them the right way but the flapping continued. Replaced the highest (7) valves by plastic ones, and no more flapping.
My conclusion (and JimD can confirm that): find a safe way to store the accordions in the playing orientation or you will be sorry later on.

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The valve position changing and falling away from the block is a very slow process. The degradation in tone will also be a very slow process. A person gets used to the change and doesn't notice it.

It's kind of like my hip -- it slowly deteriorated. I just got used to it. After I got the replacement -- wow!, just like brand new again. It was so good, that I got my other hip (getting close to bone on bone) replaced 4 months later with a similar improvement.
 
My conclusion (and JimD can confirm that): find a safe way to store the accordions in the playing orientation or you will be sorry later
Respectfully, changing a few valves every 10 years (probably closer to 20+ years if you play the accordion), is much easier, safer, cheaper and preferable to damaging the celluloid, or dropping the accordion because it is massively unstable. To me, just the scratches alone make it a non-option... but that is my choice, everyone is free to do as they wish. :)
 
This is a little off topic, but at least 1/3 of the reeds on one of my accordions has reeds that gurgle/flap, especially at low volumes. I assume that this is the result of the leather valves being dried out. But, the instrument has great compression. Can anybody make sense of this paradox?
 
The valve being able to close is just one aspect, a dried out old stiff valve that isn’t pliable can cause all kinds of noise artifacts yet still be able to lay flat when the suction forces it to. Most of the valves replaced in my Imperator were like that… looked ok, but just really we’re not.
 
When this topic was discussed here before, I also considered storing my accordions in playing position for a short time. However in the end I went back storing them on their feet because of the obvious safety and handiness reasons.

Nevertheless, the discussion made me remember a Richard Galliano interview, which I once watched on YouTube (see screenshot below), where you can see him storing his accordions in playing position.

So it seems likely, that he is in the other fraction of accordion storers 🤔.

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And that is all totally well and good. At least I tried it for myself and tested it and made my own choice.

The thing is, irrespective of how you store the accordion, the valves will go bad sooner or later. It's all about time and how often you use them. Don't use them, and even if you remove all the reed blocks and store them in a hanging down position, the valves will still go bad. Like tires on a car, this should be in the category of required regular maintenance. Like the Midas commercial says "you can pay me sooner or you can pay me later". :D
 
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