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Hearing aids and sound quality

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I am experiencing normal age related hearing degradation, and getting familiar with hearing aids.
I just received a pair of Eargo in ears, and am quite disappointed in their effect on music.
They are clearly introducing a terrible layer of raspiness on top of everything. Suddenly my dry tuning sounds like a french musette at 15 cent detune. another analogy is like I’m playing thru a ring modulator, or perhaps a caliope.
When I mute them, while I hear the high end drop off, the music is so much more pleasant that I’m concerned that wearing them will drive me away from playing.

Can anyone share their experience with these or other brands of hearing aid?
thanks!
 
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I've been wearing h.aids for two years now. Without them on, the upper third of the spectrum, while still audible, is muffled or mushy. My aids (Re-Sound brand) are rechargeable and designed for my particular hearing spectrum. That seems vital for a musician! Mine are adjustable (via my cell phone) for the particular environment I'm in. I wear them when I'm playing my Roland, and all notes, high and low, are right on (including the mistakes....!). Seems to me that If YOUR aids don't allow you to clearly hear the full audio range that you're playing, they're essentially useless and a waste of money.
 
I am experiencing normal age related hearing degradation, and getting familiar with hearing aids.
I just received a pair of Eargo in ears, and am quite disappointed in their effect on music.
They are clearly introducing a terrible layer of raspiness on top of everything. Suddenly my dry tuning sounds like a french musette at 15 cent detune. another analogy is like I’m playing thru a ring modulator, or perhaps a caliope.
When I mute them, while I hear the high end drop off, the music is so much more pleasant that I’m concerned that wearing them will drive me away from playing.

Can anyone share their experience with these or other brands of hearing aid?
thanks!
Sorry you’re having trouble. Yes, it’s common for most hearing aids to have some weak points; they are, at best a compromise. However, it’s important to first rule out any physical cause for hearing loss, aside from the natural, age-related losses.

Your internist is a good place to start. If your internist feels that there is a physical cause, such as indicated by a sudden, rather than gradual loss, he will recommend a medical specialist to further evaluate and treat your condition. If not, your internist might welll suggest a visit to an audiologist.

An audiologist will look into your ear canals to see if there is a lot of wax build-up, although your internist should have done that. Next, the audiologist will test your responses to sounds at various pitches and intensities of sound and use that to create an audiogram. He or she will do this with you in a soundproof booth, one ear at a time, through an earphone, but also possibly through conduction of sound through your skull. While in the booth, he or she will also ask you to repeat a series of words. Outside of the booth, the audiologist will measure the flexibility of your eardrums. Then, the audiologist will go over your audiogram with you and recommend hearing aids that will be custom ordered for you, and give you the price. Be prepared for sticker-shock, but your insurance might cover most of that. If you consent, he or she will take impressions of your ear canal that will be used at the hearing aid factory to custom-cast the shells of your new devices. Some of these procedures may be tempoarily uncomfortable, but not painful.

Each audiologist has a connection to one or several hearing aid manufacturers. All manufacturers today produce digital hearing aids, and in a competitive field that means that equivalent product lines will have similar features.

However, I’m writing here of custom hearing aids prescribed by a professional audiologist, not something you’d buy over the counter, like the ones you have. Usually those non-custom hearing aids are nothing more than full-range amplifiers in miniature. They might work for some people, not for all.

Some of the things you should know:

1. Unlike eyeglasses which can correct your vision, hearing aids cannot restore what you’ve already lost. Once your ability to hear certain frequencies at reasonable volume levels is lost, that cannot be reversed. However, hearing aids, properly prescribed, can help you make the best use of whatever hearing you have left for a period between six months and three years. So, a visit to the audiologist who prescribed them every six months is essential. But your audiologist will explain all of that to you.

2. It’s not a stigma to wear hearing aids. It is a serious miscalculation to deny that you have a problem and not wear them. Your hearing aids will, initially, feel and sound strange. Your audiologist might be able to make some adjustments, but you have to allow time to get used to them as well.

I’ve been using hearing aids for more than thirty-five years. I’ve been through several audiologists during that time: most because I found fault with them after a while, some who retired, and one wonderful audiologist who, unfortunately, died young.
 
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Alan Sharkis explains the process well.
But even the very best of equipment can have faults and individual peculiarities.
Getting an audiologist to retest and readjust as necessary will always be needed over time.
Just be sure to get your regular medico to deal with any nose and throat problems before attending.
 
Sorry you’re having trouble. Yes, it’s common for most hearing aids to have some weak points; they are, at best a compromise. However, it’s important to first rule out any physical cause for hearing loss, aside from the natural, age-related losses.

Your internist is a good place to start. If your internist feels that there is a physical cause, such as indicated by a sudden, rather than gradual loss, he will recommend a medical specialist to further evaluate and treat your condition. If not, your internist might welll suggest a visit to an audiologist.

An audiologist will look into your ear canals to see if there is a lot of wax build-up, although your internist should have done that. Next, the audiologist will test your responses to sounds at various pitches and intensities of sound and use that to create an audiogram. He or she will do this with you in a soundproof booth, one ear at a time, through an earphone, but also possibly through conduction of sound through your skull. While in the booth, he or she will also ask you to repeat a series of words. Outside of the booth, the audiologist will measure the flexibility of your eardrums. Then, the audiologist will go over your audiogram with you and recommend hearing aids that will be custom ordered for you, and give you the price. Be prepared for sticker-shock, but your insurance might cover most of that. If you consent, he or she will take impressions of your ear canal that will be used at the hearing aid factory to custom-cast the shells of your new devices. Some of these procedures may be tempoarily uncomfortable, but not painful.

Each audiologist has a connection to one or several hearing aid manufacturers. All manufacturers today produce digital hearing aids, and in a competitive field that means that equivalent product lines will have similar features.

However, I’m writing here of custom hearing aids prescribed by a professional audiologist, not something you’d buy over the counter, like the ones you have. Usually those non-custom hearing aids are nothing more than full-range amplifiers in miniature. They might work for some people, not for all.

Some of the things you should know:

1. Unlike eyeglasses which can correct your vision, hearing aids cannot restore what you’ve already lost. Once your ability to hear certain frequencies at reasonable volume levels is lost, that cannot be reversed. However, hearing aids, properly prescribed, can help you make the best use of whatever hearing you have left for a period between six months and three years. So, a visit to the audiologist who prescribed them every six months is essential. But your audiologist will explain all of that to you.

2. It’s not a stigma to wear hearing aids. It is a serious miscalculation to deny that you have a problem and not wear them. Your hearing aids will, initially, feel and sound strange. Your audiologist might be able to make some adjustments, but you have to allow time to get used to them as well.

I’ve been using hearing aids for more than thirty-five years. I’ve been through several audiologists during that time: most because I found fault with them after a while, some who retired, and one wonderful audiologist who, unfortunately, died young.
I’ve taken care of all that, including an MRI to be sure the imbalance between ears wasn’t due to any growths on the nerve. And have a full audiograph in hand. I’m less concerned about speech than music. Loss is pretty moderate, but the tinnitus is annoying. Luckily it is white noise-ish and I can mentally block out specific pitches, at least for now.
I know Eargo is over the counter (although my audiologist said its the best of that ilk) and have reviewed a couple of audiologist alternatives with a specialist, but man, 6k out of pocket is pretty hefty when I’m not unduly suffering, at least not yet. My main concern is the progression and how to keep it from ending my ability to play down the road.
I’m tempted to use the eargos for social situations, my Airpods Pro for enjoyment (into which I”ve loaded my audiograph with surprisingly good results), and ‘commando’ for playing for a couple of years and see how it sorts out.
Buy perhaps another visit to my hearing technician to try out other high enders may change my mind.
 
I’ve taken care of all that, including an MRI to be sure the imbalance between ears wasn’t due to any growths on the nerve. And have a full audiograph in hand. I’m less concerned about speech than music. Loss is pretty moderate, but the tinnitus is annoying. Luckily it is white noise-ish and I can mentally block out specific pitches, at least for now.
I know Eargo is over the counter (although my audiologist said its the best of that ilk) and have reviewed a couple of audiologist alternatives with a specialist, but man, 6k out of pocket is pretty hefty when I’m not unduly suffering, at least not yet. My main concern is the progression and how to keep it from ending my ability to play down the road.
I’m tempted to use the eargos for social situations, my Airpods Pro for enjoyment (into which I”ve loaded my audiograph with surprisingly good results), and ‘commando’ for playing for a couple of years and see how it sorts out.
Buy perhaps another visit to my hearing technician to try out other high enders may change
 
I agree that 6k is a lot, especially compared to the price you paid for what you currently have.

Have you checked for any insurance coverage? Many health plans do partially cover hearing aids.

Are you, by chance, a veteran? If so, the VA will provide an audiologist AND free hearing aids that some of my friends tell me are top quality.
 
6 grand for hearing aids? No need to spend anywhere near that Gotcha (!) price for aids individually matched and warranted. Got mine at Costco.
 
6 grand for hearing aids? No need to spend anywhere near that Gotcha (!) price for aids individually matched and warranted. Got mine at Costco.
What brands are available at Costco.
I’m particularly interested in Widex.
 
What brands are available at Costco.
I’m particularly interested in Widex.
As I understand it, brand availability at Costco varies according to what prices are obtainable by Costco from providers and manufacturers. I know that my aids (ReSound) are no longer available there, but continue to be serviced there as part of its extended warranty policy. Best thing to do, I would think, is simply to phone their nearest outlet to you and ask them. Phone numbers are obtainable on line....
 
When I was first fitted with hearing aids I noticed a vibrato effect on musical sounds, particularly with piano and accordion single reeds.
I've been told that this is a result of frequency-shifting used in the normal "universal" setting to minimise feedback. My current aids ("Stretta" -- UK NHS supplied) have settings for Live Music, Recorded Music, and Musician all of which remove the tremor effect.
 
When I was first fitted with hearing aids I noticed a vibrato effect on musical sounds, particularly with piano and accordion single reeds.
I've been told that this is a result of frequency-shifting used in the normal "universal" setting to minimise feedback. My current aids ("Stretta" -- UK NHS supplied) have settings for Live Music, Recorded Music, and Musician all of which remove the tremor effect.
When hearing aids went digital, all of that and more became possible.
 
tried Costco, they don’t participate in any of our medical programs, been wearing aids for about fifteen years. The ones I currently have are easily adjustable…..connect to a program on my I pad. They have a …. So called music program set up in them. Love them. Some of the higher piccolo sounds on my box cause a squealing sound if I don’t use the music setting. They however are not cheap, but our workers compensation people pay for them as my hearing loss has been designated as job related. So every year I am tested, and they are replaced as necessary.
 
interesting read

about half of our shows is for a senior audience
on a good few occasions people will ask to turn down the volume
I always found this strange, as we are well within limits (indoors), as seniors tend to hear less than youngsters
and if we come with a guitar, the problems seemed less than with an accordion
a while ago I finally realized to seniors, it's not always about volume, but more about quality and frequency peaks

now I'm trying to do some research to tune in my sound system or even re-arrange pieces so that we don't go near higher frequencies as hearing aids tend to boost these more often - you know, to try and offer the best environment for everyone present

still learning and picking up on this stuff
 
about half of our shows is for a senior audience
on a good few occasions people will ask to turn down the volume
I always found this strange, as we are well within limits (indoors), as seniors tend to hear less than youngsters

I have a degree of hearing loss, not bad enough to need hearing aids, but easily measurable. It manifests as an intolerance to loud sounds - things like beginners on descant recorders, higher pitched & badly tuned piano notes, the top few notes on a piano accordion, etc. The specialist described it as... my ears aren't quite as sensitive, so my brain has compensated, turning up an internal volume knob. Then when I do hear something louder than usual, it's too loud. How dumbed-down that explanation was I'm not sure, but it kind of makes sense.

That said when we performed at the local old folks home (vocal, drum and mandocello) they asked us to play louder.
 
They are clearly introducing a terrible layer of raspiness on top of everything. Suddenly my dry tuning sounds like a french musette at 15 cent detune. another analogy is like I’m playing thru a ring modulator, or perhaps a caliope.
Not directly related to hearing aids, but I can tell you that general sound processing has a real problem with slow tremolo (but not with completely dry registers). That involves microphones (least affected are omnis) and very much lossy compression (no point in trying MP3 below something like 160bps). It's worst for solo music; in ensemble music that is masked. Apparently the idea of a lossy compression algorithm about what a human cannot distinguish is quite inaccurate for tremolo. And that might also concern hearing aid algorithms.
 
I am experiencing normal age related hearing degradation, and getting familiar with hearing aids.
I just received a pair of Eargo in ears, and am quite disappointed in their effect on music.
They are clearly introducing a terrible layer of raspiness on top of everything. Suddenly my dry tuning sounds like a french musette at 15 cent detune. another analogy is like I’m playing thru a ring modulator, or perhaps a caliope.
When I mute them, while I hear the high end drop off, the music is so much more pleasant that I’m concerned that wearing them will drive me away from playing.

Can anyone share their experience with these or other brands of hearing aid?
thanks!
I know this thread is old, but I just fell over it.
I have the exact same experience with my Oticon OPN Minirite. When playing my accordion, I have to click down the volume of my hearing aids 4 to 5 steps.
I believe it helps me only because my hearing loss is in the range of 4000 to 6000 Hz..... well beyond the freqency Range of the accordion..
I believe also, there is a (very) small delay and maybe also frequency deviation through the hearing aids. Maybe this causes that the single M sounds like a vibrato, if I hear the tone both besiddes and amplified through my hearing aids.
 
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