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Busking or Street Music

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Mike K

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Anyone done any busking? I am hoping to do some in Richmond, VA as soon as it cools down a little. Not really that interested in the money, just want to put the accordion out in front of people. Any advice, warnings, suggestions, experiences?
 
Not sure what the laws are where you are, but where I live, to busk you pay for a license else they they fine you, and the fines are heavy (like $2500 and jail time). Even the cost of the license is nuts, I heard it was something like $1200/year.

Aside from that, use common sense, right?
 
If your worried about getting busted busking just find a cafe with an outdoor terrace and ask the owner if you can play a few tunes while you drink your coffee....they're normally well happy and ask you back... Same goes for pubs with beer gardens. ... Some shopping malls are not public places per se and security can ask you to leave...
 
Here in the UK begging has been banned by some if not all councils. 'So what'?' You say. Well the loop hole is the would-be beggars sit with a beat up instrument, and claim/appear to be buskers. So some councils that were relaxed before now require you to get a permit. Chester for example issue permits, but you have to audition 'cos they don't want cr*p spoiling the enjoyment of the shops/shoppers/tourists - which I suppose is fair enough. Maybe the beer garden route is a possibility as loophole here too.
 
I am here soulsaver.....the other win is hitting the coffee stall at big car boot sales...
 
Well US appears a little more lenient. Some places require a permit or limit where you can go but it appears a little looser in my town. Unfortunately, a lot of street entertainers are lacking in much skill although I have seen a few talented ones. Some sort of just bang on an instrument. I am not sure I will even put out anything for collecting money. Probably will not at least the first time. If someone offers ...fine but not really the purpose. My daughter used to live near Boulder Colorado and the street entertainment there is FANTASTIC!, Harps, magicians, acrobats, anything possible.....weekends in the summer at the downtown are a great place to be. It draws people to the area.

There have been some court cases in VA but so far they have all been in favor of buskers. Using common sense and actually having some talent is probably beneficial.
 
losthobos said:
I am here soulsaver.....
Yes I know - and you were suggesting it as a loophole round a permit to Mike in the US and Jerry in Canada? And I say it may work here as well. ;)
 
Can't comment on the legality etc of 'busking' in the USA but assuming it is ok and you decide to go ahead you need to think carefuly about what you are going to play.

- choose tunes that you know or think the punters will like rather than playing your favourite tunes ( unless they are the same)
- popular old time/music hall songs, country and western , chuck in a popular hymn tune eg amazing grace, perhaps a bit of skiffle , barn dance or hoe down tunes , Scottish pipe marches eg 100 pipers and cock of the north etc etc. Preferably tunes with good rhythm to get the feet tapping but Irish ballads such as Danny Boy can go down well.

- you only need a 15 or 20 minute repertoire as the punters don't usually hang around for long.So on the basis of a tune taking no more than about 3 minutes 5 or 6 will do the job. ( better still 2 lists of 5 or 6 to stop yourself getting fed up with the repetition.

you will learn by experience which tunes draw peoples attention and which 'switch them off' so modify your tune lists accordingly.

hope this helps?

george
 
Like sum I don't expect money. I leave my case closed. Besides the box I usually use for that sort of thing has a sign inside the lid. Says, "Will Stop For Money". I have a sick since of humor!

Don't do it much but over the years have met and played with sum nice people. I was playing one time sum time ago and this older gentleman said he played flute and would it be okay to jam a little. I said sure. He came back with a gold flute and blew me away! As I found out he had played with Benny Goodman and the Tommy Dorsey Orchestra! What a day I will never forget.
 
losthobos said:
If your worried about getting busted busking just find a cafe with an outdoor terrace and ask the owner if you can play a few tunes while you drink your coffee....theyre normally well happy and ask you back... Same goes for pubs with beer gardens.

Great tip, losthobos!
 
In my opinion, If you don't put a case out or are not collecting money, you are not busking and except for public disturbance laws I don't really think there are any other rules or licences needed. You certainly cant be fined and the most they can do is to tell you to move on
 
Russ said:
In my opinion, If you dont put a case out or are not collecting money, you are not busking and except for public disturbance laws I dont really think there are any other rules or licences needed. You certainly cant be fined and the most they can do is to tell you to move on

Id imagine that any laws/codes that prohibit busking, or required a license for it, would also define what they mean by it. For example, here in Nashville, there is an ordinance covering busking that says:

Street performance shall mean any theatrical, musical, visual, or other presentation for entertainment purposes on the public way. Street performer shall mean any person or group of persons who conducts a street performance.

Note that they dont make any mention of whether youre collecting money or not. In fact, the entire ordinance is more about preventing people from blocking public sidewalks than anything else.
 
That's how 'gigging' allegedly got its name: Corner singing harmony groups were plentiful in the earlier part of the 20th century, that common that they were outlawed and moved on by the police for obstructing sidewalks. So, the guys drove a horse & cart (gig) to their spot and stood in it singing - so not obstructing the sidewalk. Many online dictionaries seem to think the origin of the words use with a paid music performance is unknown.. but seems if not true, at least a good theory.
 
Nashville supposedly such a big music town and they do not allow street performances....really a shame. There must be a lot of potential in that town that they could use to build up as an attraction.

From Wikapedia as related to busking in US:

In the United States there have been numerous legal cases about regulations and laws that have decided the rights of buskers to perform in public. Most of these laws and regulations have been found to be unconstitutional when challenged. In the US, free speech is considered a fundamental right of every individual, guaranteed by the First and Fourteenth constitutional amendments, and in the majority of legal cases it has been concluded that practicing artistic free speech is legal. Busking is legally considered to be artistic free speech and clearly not panhandling or begging.

In the United States, reasons to regulate or ban busking behavior include public safety issues and noise issues in certain areas such as hospital zones and residential zones. In residential zones, a reasonable curfew may be allowed. Such laws must be narrowly tailored to eliminate only the perceived evils by limiting the time, place and manner that busking may be practiced. They must also leave open reasonable alternative venues. The only exceptions to these free speech rules are sedition, as defined by the Smith Act, public displays of pornography and obscenity as defined by the Miller test for obscenity, criminal behavior such as fraud or defamation, certain commercial advertising and the common laws talked about above. In the US, laws regulating or banning busking must be applied evenly to all forms of free speech according to the first and fourteenth constitutional amendments and the judicial decisions listed below.

Busking cannot be prohibited in an area where other forms of free speech are not prohibited. For example, if busking is regulated or banned but people are allowed to conduct free speech behavior for pickets, protests, religious, political, educational, sports, commercial or other purposes, then the law is illegal. In the United States any form of regulation on artistic free speech must not be judgmental, and permits must not be so restrictive, complex, difficult or expensive to obtain that they inhibit free speech. It is also unlawful per federal court decision for law officers to seize a performers instruments.[1]

Under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 Conspiracy Against Rights, it is unlawful for two or more persons to conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person of any state, territory or district in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him/her by the Constitution or the laws of the United States, or because of his/her having exercised the same.[2]

Under United States law, it is the express duty of all officers of the law or individuals such as security guards, legislators, mayors, Council Persons, judges, Hospitals and Nursing Home Proprietors, etc., to protect and preserve an individuals constitutional rights Under Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law. Most of these individuals take oaths to uphold the US Constitution. It is clearly a violation of federal law for these individuals to violate peoples constitutional or civil rights under the color of the law

closer to my home this was a 1983 case.

In Davenport v. City of Alexandria, Virginia, a judge ruled that a ban on busking and other business-related activities on the streets of the central city area was unconstitutional. Several courts found that there was no legitimacy to the citys allegations of safety issues that were alleged to be related to busking.[
 
I remember when I was a street musician in San Francisco when George Moscone was Mayor. The police would routinely tell us to move on. We had a small demonstration of Street Musicians in front of City hall and Mayor Moscone wrote a short letter stating how street musicians were part of San Francisco and should not be unfairly moved on. I carried a copy of that letter for a while I wish I still had it.
 
Mike K said:
Nashville supposedly such a big music town and they do not allow street performances....really a shame.

They allow it, you just need a permit, I think. I didnt quote that part of the ordinance.

(Whats really a shame about Nashville is that its is pretty much an accordion desert. None of the major music stores carry accordions. One small shop has a few in stock now and then. Theyre in the Hispanic end of town, so its mostly 3-row diatonics. Not too much in the way of PAs. And forget about sheet music. Gotta go online for that. No place doing rentals either. And I think I may very well be the only teacher hanging out a shingle here. In a town nicknamed Music City, USA...)
 
My busking tunes are Sloop John B - La Cockuracha - Marianne (calypso) Amazing Grace - Michael Row the Boat - Kumbaya - Hava Nagila - Shepherds Hey - On Top of Old Smokey (clean version) - Quisaz - Quisaz - Quisaz - Portsmouth - Dance to your Daddy - Lord of the Dance - She Moved Through the Fair etc
 
My busking tunes are Sloop John B - La Cockuracha - Marianne (calypso) Amazing Grace - Michael Row the Boat - Kumbaya - Hava Nagila - Shepherds Hey - On Top of Old Smokey (clean version) - Quisaz - Quisaz - Quisaz - Portsmouth - Dance to your Daddy - Lord of the Dance - She Moved Through the Fair etc
 
losthobos said:
If your worried about getting busted busking just find a cafe with an outdoor terrace ... Some shopping malls are not public places per se and security can ask you to leave...

this reminds me of a time when playing with a friend in a shopping arcade and security came along and said we had to move on as they had a no busking policy (even though we were not collecting money they insisted rules is rules); anyway the lady owner from the restaurant opposite came over as she heard us debating the situation and invited us into her restaurant to play......security walked off :)
 
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