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Bugari artist double cassotto

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Anyone got any experience of the bugari artist double cassotto, how does it compare to a super vi or borsini etc
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I'm sure our own Paul DeBra will be able to tell you once he spots this post. :)
The little I know might place it up there close to the instruments you mention. Bugari is a good name.
 

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Yes Jerry i saw his post after i made my request, hope he can tell me how to identify a 269 model
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colinm said:
Anyone got any experience of the bugari artist double cassotto, how does it compare to a super vi or borsini etc
Cm
As Jerry said I do indeed have quite some experience with the Bugari Artist Cassotto, having played a 285/ARS PA, 289/ARS/C5 PA, a 505/ARS, a 540/ARS/C and my wife a 508/ARS/C, and I know many more of them. I have always preferred the sound of Bugari Artist Cassotto over most other brands. The one European brand that may sound even a tiny bit better is Beltuna, but they are really expensive. The only more or less affordable accordion I found that I like even better than Bugaris is AKKO (russian).
Regarding the artist double cassotto, first of all the double cassotto name is a bit of a misnomer on all accordions from all brands. (Bugari does not use the word double in the name.) There is only one cassotto, but the double indicates that two reed sets (16 and 8 or LM as we tend to call them here) are in cassotto. There is only one accordion I know of that has what one could call a double cassotto and that is the Beltuna Leader which has amplisound that effectively is a switch that opens up a second cassotto chamber. Quite an ingenious (patented) piece of engineering.
I cannot compare the to the Super VI as I have no experience with that. In comparison with the Borsini the most relevant difference is that the Bugari is sturdier (and therefore a bit heavier) than the Borsini. The main difference between all these types of instruments including Pigini, Ballone Burini (defunct like Borsini) is that when they are really different there are differences in sound. (A Zero Sette for instance is not really different as it is made in the Bugari factory and essentially the same except for some cosmetic aspects like the grille.) When choosing an instrument, listening is the only thing that helps in choosing.
Regarding model, I do not know the details of a 269 model. I know the 289/ARS/C or 289/ARS/C4 which is a 4 reed 45 key instrument with convertor (and the C5 which is 5 reed). And I know the 260 which is a Champion Cassotto, not an Artist Cassotto. Bugari has been using the 260 numbers for champion cassotto PA and 280 numbers for artist cassotto PA for many years now. But 269, sorry, cannot help there.
 

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Paul,
Thanks for the help, i got the number wrong, trying to work between old post and new post. All i really know from photos is artist cassotto 41/120. Possibly made in 1986, marlacchi stamped on one reed. Price 3250 euro.
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colinm said:
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Thanks for the help, i got the number wrong, trying to work between old post and new post. All i really know from photos is artist cassotto 41/120. Possibly made in 1986, marlacchi stamped on one reed. Price 3250 euro.
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OK, that makes sense. The current model number is then probably the 288/ARS (41/120, 4 reed). You can compare it to whats on http://www.bugariarmando.com/ .
It should be a good instrument. I would estimate it between 3000 and 3500 euro based on state and age. Too many people realize how good an instrument this is to get it for a significantly lower price.
 

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debra said:
When choosing an instrument, listening is the only thing that helps in choosing.

<FONT font=Garamond><SIZE size=125><COLOR color=#0040FF>Amen. Well said!
 

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debra said:
When choosing an instrument, listening is the only thing that helps in choosing.

<FONT font=Garamond><SIZE size=125><COLOR color=#0040FF>Amen. Well said![/quote]

Sometimes you have to take a risk , its in estonia and i,m in uk


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debra said:
When choosing an instrument, listening is the only thing that helps in choosing.

<FONT font=Garamond><SIZE size=125><COLOR color=#0040FF>Amen. Well said![/quote]

Sometimes you have to take a risk , its in estonia and i,m in uk


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<FONT font=Garamond><SIZE size=125>Im not familiar with the geography and difficulties of travelling around Europe. However I will tell you that its worth the bother; as long as its possible. I live in New Jersey (USA) and I flew to Detroit when I was shopping for my Beltuna, and I flew to Dallas for my Petosa. I only bought one accordion sight unseen, and that was because it was on the other side of the pond, in the UK.
 

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Im not familiar with the geography and difficulties of travelling around Europe. However I will tell you that its worth the bother; as long as its possible. I live in New Jersey (USA) and I flew to Detroit when I was shopping for my Beltuna, and I flew to Dallas for my Petosa. I only bought one accordion sight unseen, and that was because it was on the other side of the pond, in the UK.[/size][/font][/quote]
Well its possible but would probably cost me £600 and take 2 days, so i do not think it is worth it I would probably have little more than an hour to evaluate the instrument and would have wasted £600
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Well its possible but would probably cost me £600 and take 2 days, so i do not think it is worth it I would probably have little more than an hour to evaluate the instrument and would have wasted £600
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The instrument was shown here before. It looks like it is in good condition (but looks alone dont say everything). The price is reasonable, for a local buyer. It is what these instruments go for. That said I see no reason to get it from so far away unless you are in a hurry. Similar instrument should at some point become available at a similar price closer to home. You just have to be patient. For me to have an instrument shipped from far away it needs to be a very very good deal. I have only done that once, knowing that I could fix minor issues myself and tune the instrument to my liking. I got an instrument that was essentially new (and a very recent model) for less than 1/3 of the normal (discounted) retail price (not the msrp which would be still at least 25% higher).
 

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