Culture difference ?

[NickC]

Another difference is chord symbols. I've gotten used to Italian lead sheets.... Sol7, Dom, etc ....but I often forget to mention it when I hand a chart to a guitarist.

 

[Ventura]

>>> continues my blissful ignorance on the subject

 

[Dingo40]

Some more on the musical muddle :

How music theory works in different countries

Thought music was a universal language? Think again. Here’s a bit about how music theory works around the world.

www.classicfm.com

 

[Javthedog]

Some more on the musical muddle :

How music theory works in different countries

Thought music was a universal language? Think again. Here’s a bit about how music theory works around the world.

www.classicfm.com

Yes, but no, but....... if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, smells like a duck, swims like a duck, it probably is a duck - in english - pato, canard, ente, anatra ...in portuguese, french, german, italian....... doesn't really matter what you call it it's still the same thing.
I'd also take a little issue with the article where it say do, re, mi is C, D, E..... it can be the 1st 3 notes of any scale!

 

[dunlustin]

"do, re, mi is C, D, E..... it can be the 1st 3 notes of any scale"
Yes, in England where it's Tonic sol-fa
but
In France: doh is a key - and re and fa ... and so on and La = 440Hz

 

[Javthedog]

Learn something every day ! Thanks. Thinking….. so how are the notes in the scale of fa described?

 

[dunlustin]

fa, sol, la, si,bémol, doh, ré, mi, fa
Sol majeur (G) :
sol, la, si, doh, ré, mi, fa dièze, sol

 

[Javthedog]

Good one - thanks. Just remembered I read something a while ago that said in Turkish music the space between 2tones can be divided into 2b/2#, not the western 1b/#…

 

[NickC]

There is 'fixed do' and 'movable do.' In fixed do solfege, Do is always 'C'. It's strange at first, but after reading charts for a few years, it becomes second nature.

 

[JeffJetton]

Another difference is chord symbols. I've gotten used to Italian lead sheets.... Sol7, Dom, etc ....but I often forget to mention it when I hand a chart to a guitarist.

And then there's the whole AAA bass notation vs. spelling out all the notes in the chord bass notation.

All part of the fun of playing an instrument as "international" as the accordion!

 

[bluke]

Don’t laugh too hard. Hand independence is something kids learning many musical instruments must develop. It’s easier for some than others.

To say nothing about a drummer playing a trap set. Four limbs = four independent rhythms.

 

[Tom]

To say nothing about a drummer playing a trap set. Four limbs = four independent rhythms.

4 independent rhythms? Now that boggles my mind! I've seen and tried 2, but 4? Or even 3? Wow!

 

[Alan Sharkis]

Wait'll you hear what the Germans call B-

An American comedian, Sid Caesar, used to play a character known as "Cool Caez" on his television show. Cool Caez had very thick eyeglasses, dressed like a Beatnick, and played tenor sax. In an interview, he claimed to be able to hit H above high C. When asked, "Doesn't the scale stop ay G?," he replied, "Not for the brave."

 

[Javthedog]

Cue the drummer jokes!

 

[JeffJetton]

4 independent rhythms? Now that boggles my mind! I've seen and tried 2, but 4? Or even 3? Wow!

I've gigged with a few drummers who played four different rhythms at the same time.

Not on purpose, mind you...

 

[Jim2010]

An American comedian, Sid Caesar, used to play a character known as "Cool Caez" on his television show. Cool Caez had very thick eyeglasses, dressed like a Beatnick, and played tenor sax. In an interview, he claimed to be able to hit H above high C. When asked, "Doesn't the scale stop ay G?," he replied, "Not for the brave."

In keeping with of our "cultural differences" theme, H = B (and B = Bb) in Germany. So maybe it was a kind of multifaceted joke, with a wink to the Klezmer players in the band. In any case, he was right. You have to be brave to play those high notes.

 

[Alan Sharkis]

In keeping with of our "cultural differences" theme, H = B (and B = Bb) in Germany. So maybe it was a kind of multifaceted joke, with a wink to the Klezmer players in the band. In any case, he was right. You have to be brave to play those high notes.

I have some experience with that. A few years back, I found a used trumpet and started to take trumpet lessons. I also have a small hiatal hernia. Everything was fine until I started to get into higher notes and experienced diaphragm pain. My trumpet teacher advised me to take a month off and then decide if I wanted to continue.

At the end of the month I said to myself, “Self, what are you, nuts?”

I never played trumpet again.

 

[rosette]

It may be a slight exaggeration to call it a 'culture difference'.
I learnt the British naming convention when I was younger learning piano but rarely used sheet music in my teenage years with the guitar as it was far easier to use tabs.

I can still read sheet music albeit not very well, it's easier for me to figure it out by ear.
If I do have to read sheet music I don't think of it in terms of any notation names anyway, you just sort of develop a feel for it, especially if you know the melody beforehand.

 

[rosette]

Interesting take to consider that US-style rhythm naming is sort of the "metric system" of notation, isn't it? Precise, mathematical, unambiguous.

Heck, I say we go whole-hog and make it completely SI-compatible:

OLD              NEW
-----------------------------------
Whole Note       1 measure
Half Note        5 decimeasures
Quarter Note     25 centimeasures
Eighth Note      125 millimeasures

Might have some rounding errors with triplets though...

Yeah...but the British haven't been too big on the metric system generally speaking.
Imperial measurements are still dominant especially in everyday talk.

In Australia we still use feet / pounds on occasion. Not that strange since metrication only happened in the 70's.

 

[rosette]

More information can be found at https://www.dolmetsch.com/musicalsymbols.htm

Howard

Interesting table.
The Deutsch / German version is similar to the American version