Tuning chart for - Hohner Lucia 2 80 bass

[Hutzpah]

I have been fixing up my Lucia 2. Replacing reed values, stuck reeds etc.
I now have the middle reed and second middle reed(wet) all sounding.
Now I only have one note out of tune to fix and I can start to learn to play.
Then work on the other switches later.

Does any one have a tuning chart for this Hohner lucia 80 bass that I could have a look at?

I want to understand the tuning for all 5 switches.
I read somewhere that the harmony notes change as you move up the keyboard, can you tell me if that right?

Thanks again.

 

[debra]

With a tuning app you can easily measure deviations from the tempered tuning (and then correct them by filing or scratching as appropriate).
The "dry" L and M (16 and 8) reeds should all have 0 deviation. (when low notes are within 1 cent that's good enough and high notes should be within 0.5 cent) For the wet tuning you need to measure the deviation of a few notes around A4 to see what the average is for this accordion. (You need to remove the grille so as to enable just the tremolo reed and disable the dry reeds. You have no register switch that does this.)
When you find that the average tuning around A4 is X you can write a table with values starting with X for A4 and lowering the numbers to about 0.7x X by A5 and 0.5 X by A6 (but your accordion doesn't reach A6. Below A4 you can have the values go up to about 1.3 X by A3 and stay there for lower notes.

 

[JKJ]

Does any one have a tuning chart for this Hohner lucia 80 bass that I could have a look at?

I don’t have the information you want, however I see George Bachich has a long article on tuning that might be helpful. He explains many of the principles including musette considerations and gives advice on physically adjusting the frequency of a reed. Although at my first reading I felt overwhelmed, you can probably find what you need. Towards the end is the math involved. Perhaps worth a look? (at first read it doesn’t exactly appear “simple”!

ACCORDION REPAIR MADE SIMPLE 3 - TUNING​

HOW TO REPAIR ACCORDIONS 3

Check out http://accordionrevival.com!

accordionrevival.com

 

[Hutzpah]

Thanks debra and JKJ for the info.

Debra I’ll try your instructions out this Saturday hopefully.
I also found another method describe by Dennis Amott
“Accordion tuning table part 3 - How to tune an accordion”

At 5:38 he gives the following info.

Basically divide the keyboard length into 4 parts and tune those parts as follows.

Going from low to high.
1st part 20 cents higher.
2rd part 15 cents higher.
3rd part 10 cents higher.
4th part 5 cents higher.

What do you think about this method ?

I more or less now have an understanding of the wet tuning. Took the time and made a chart
mapping all the switchers hopefully this will help me over come my confusion.

 

[Plinky]

Hi Hutzpah I have done quite a lot of tuning,old crap reeds and a few melodeons and I think I'm relatively competent,to get a low end box up and in tune.

But big caveat here,having played a box by a revered melodeon tuner,It's absolutely night and day.
Playing a box really well fettled is an absolute joy.

It's not just removing material from reeds,it's how that material is removed.
I can completely cock up a reed,yes it's in tune ,but you can sort of destroy the dynamic range of a reed.(I don't know what the terminology is)
And you can use various calculations,beats/cents
And you can tune in sections.

But the art ,is not even if one can tune reeds to beats,
It's the final tweeks when it's all sort of blended together.

And even setting the reeds,that would appear to be obvious, make them speak as fast as you can.
And if they were all the same size and required the same airflow that would be easy.

Now the worst part ,treble end perfect ,bass end perfect.
So together how can it not be perfect?

Because these bloody things are a nightmare ,reeds interact with each other and I think over time and experience,the professionals develop an ear.

I have one of the much hated bravo's and it's fine to learn on,but my mates has been set up and it's lovely to play “same reeds”

I said in another post, if I had to buy a box today I would buy something 20/30 years old maximum ,as cheaply as I could.
so I could spend most of my budget,getting it professionally set up.

If you think of it it's slightly bizarre,a piano tuner tunes my acoustic piano .I've never even contemplated buying a key and having a go

 

[JKJ]

If you think of it it's slightly bizarre,a piano tuner tunes my acoustic piano .I've never even contemplated buying a key and having a go

I get my baldwin grand tuned professionally but I still bought a tuning hammer and a variety of dampening wedges and such. While I won’t attempt a full tuning with the stretches and such, between tunings I’ll gladly touch up a tri-chord unison or bass pair but even with personal instruction and my piano- tuning books those can be tricky.

Another reason to keep the tuning tools is when a friend has an old, neglected piano that is painfully out of tune. Even a quick touchup can make a huge improvement.

JKJ

 

[colinm]

Hi Hutzpah I have done quite a lot of tuning,old crap reeds and a few melodeons and I think I'm relatively competent,to get a low end box up and in tune.

But big caveat here,having played a box by a revered melodeon tuner,It's absolutely night and day.
Playing a box really well fettled is an absolute joy.

It's not just removing material from reeds,it's how that material is removed.
I can completely cock up a reed,yes it's in tune ,but you can sort of destroy the dynamic range of a reed.(I don't know what the terminology is)
And you can use various calculations,beats/cents
And you can tune in sections.

But the art ,is not even if one can tune reeds to beats,
It's the final tweeks when it's all sort of blended together.

And even setting the reeds,that would appear to be obvious, make them speak as fast as you can.
And if they were all the same size and required the same airflow that would be easy.

Now the worst part ,treble end perfect ,bass end perfect.
So together how can it not be perfect?

Because these bloody things are a nightmare ,reeds interact with each other and I think over time and experience,the professionals develop an ear.

I have one of the much hated bravo's and it's fine to learn on,but my mates has been set up and it's lovely to play “same reeds”

I said in another post, if I had to buy a box today I would buy something 20/30 years old maximum ,as cheaply as I could.
so I could spend most of my budget,getting it professionally set up.

If you think of it it's slightly bizarre,a piano tuner tunes my acoustic piano .I've never even contemplated buying a key and having a go

At last, someone who admits that tuning is an art, not just science, just gluing a new leather on takes me half an hour

 

[Plinky]

I get my baldwin grand tuned professionally but I still bought a tuning hammer and a variety of dampening wedges and such.
JKJ

Hi JKJ
A friend is a piano tuner,so we sort of have a reciprocal agreement.

“It was meant to be a little light hearted”

Perhaps I should of said

“you wouldn't try and do ,your own prostate exam”

But this is the internet, so somebody is probably lubricating a glove up at this very moment……………..or may not even have a glove

 

[Tom]

Keep you hands off my accordion!

 

[Ventura]

* sigh *

i apologise in advance

but

since we are going down this road

regarding the "wooden accordion" discussions..

why are old wealthy men and dentists willing to pay almost any price for a Woodie ?

can you order the mahogany Piatanesi with little blue pill colored Bass buttons ?

i apologise again

 

[Plinky]

* sigh *


why are old wealthy men and dentists willing to pay almost any price for a Woodie ?

Hi Ventura It's really easy if one can afford it, buy the best.
handmade exotic wood furniture,
Rolls Royce with walnut veneers etc

And I'm still not 100% convinced,as they don't make castagnari magica 3 in plywood ,so one has nothing to compare it with.

One would also assume with something handbuilt from solid wood and of that quality ,more care would have been taking in the construction of all the accordion parts.

 

[dunlustin]

Plinky, re: ' lubricating a glove'
You are a breath of fresh air.
That was my first 'laugh-out-loud' here in more than a decade.

 

[JKJ]

But this is the internet, so somebody is probably lubricating a glove up at this very moment……………..or may not even have a glove

Not today but probably in the next month or so. And yes, I keep plenty of gloves and lube in the barn. For parasite control we periodically extract fecal samples from the llamas and alpacas and send them off to a lab for analysis.

But a friend likes to stop by and do it herself when she collects from her own herd so she can send them off all in the same cooler. In 15 years has not ONCE offered to let me reach in to extract the warm samples! So unfair.

But if anyone wants to “try their hand at it” for the sake of a new experience I could let you know when it’s time - she’d probably be willing to teach you if we asked nicely. Good clean fun, eh!

Btw, ALWAYS lube up a new glove for each animal to avoid cross-contamination. I once got a funny look at the drug store when I asked for a case of K-Y Jelly. ???

And once I got to hold a horse while a vet friend did an pregnancy ultrasound test from the inside - for that she brought LONG gloves that covered her arm way past her elbow.

It’s great to have friends with a variety of skills - piano tuning, electronics wizardardry, precision machinist, accordion repair, demolition expert, huge tree extraction, animal surgery…

JKJ