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Hi Folks,

Does anyone know of a (cheap) electronic keyboard or midi controller that has fullsize keys but in a small, say 25 or 32 key format? All I've found so far is the iRig Keys I/O 25 but at around 250€ it's a bit steep.
 
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I got an Alesis q49. Has 49 keys but I bet there are small versions. It was only 80 euro's. Its a midi controller, not the best I can say, but no complaints either. The only thing that bothers me is that the forceregistration with which you press a key is not consistent. Like for one key you push it harder then the other but it registers it as the same volume. Not to big of a difference though.
I don;t know if I explain it well I don't know how to explain it in english.
 

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Fullsize for piano or accordion?The Casio SA-46, the keys are normal PA size and you can either play it "piano wise" or vertically in accordion position.It has a headphone socket. About £35.
As you'd guess, at that price it's a basic electronic keyboard, no midi or digital output.
 

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Maybe
- Novation Launchkey Mini MK2
- Swissonic EasyKey 25
- Korg microKEY 25
- Korg nanoKEY Studio
- Miditech Midistart Music 25
 

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Thanks for the info everyone. I had forgotten that PA keys are smaller than Piano keys. All the talk of mini keys and small keys had me thinking that these keyboards would be child size!
I want to try and fashion a method to mount the keyboard vertically. I have quite a lot of spare time when I´m in the shop so want something I can quickly slip on & off between customers and do some practice, albeit only right hand.
I settled for an M-Audio Keystation Mini 32, as M-Audio confirmed the width of the white keys being 18mm, so very close to my PA :tup:
 

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Knobby post_id=52929 time=1512148446 user_id=54 said:
Thanks for the info everyone. I had forgotten that PA keys are smaller than Piano keys. All the talk of mini keys and small keys had me thinking that these keyboards would be child size!
I want to try and fashion a method to mount the keyboard vertically. I have quite a lot of spare time when I´m in the shop so want something I can quickly slip on & off between customers and do some practice, albeit only right hand.
I settled for an M-Audio Keystation Mini 32, as M-Audio confirmed the width of the white keys being 18mm, so very close to my PA :tup:

You got in just before I suggested it... Has it arrived yet? Please let us know how you set it up... and how you find it.
 

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TomBR post_id=52855 time=1511985877 user_id=323 said:
Fullsize for piano or accordion?The , the keys are normal PA size and you can either play it piano wise or vertically in accordion position.It has a headphone socket. About £35.
As youd guess, at that price its a basic electronic keyboard, no midi or digital output.
Hi Tom
I may be interested in one of these ..
Are you sure the keys are PA size? I cant see the size stated on Amazon etc but on the Argos webby there is a reply to the question that says theyre 1 cm!
 

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Soulsaver post_id=52967 time=1512263794 user_id=65 said:
You got in just before I suggested it... Has it arrived yet? Please let us know how you set it up... and how you find it.

I shouldve arrived on Friday, but an Amazon cockup means it should now arrive Monday or Tuesday.
I plan to connect it to Garageband on my Mac if possible. Ill let you know how it goes :tup:
 

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Knobby post_id=52993 time=1512314886 user_id=54 said:
Soulsaver post_id=52967 time=1512263794 user_id=65 said:
You got in just before I suggested it... Has it arrived yet? Please let us know how you set it up... and how you find it.

I shouldve arrived on Friday, but an Amazon cockup means it should now arrive Monday or Tuesday.
I plan to connect it to Garageband on my Mac if possible. Ill let you know how it goes :tup:
Ta, I used it with Fruityloops amongst others I have on my PC... used with organ plug-in as about as near as I could find to accordion sound.
I dont like to plant thoughts, so let us know what you think of the feel of the keys; see if we agree...
 

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Soulsaver post_id=52984 time=1512299518 user_id=65 said:
TomBR post_id=52855 time=1511985877 user_id=323 said:
Fullsize for piano or accordion?The , the keys are normal PA size and you can either play it piano wise or vertically in accordion position.It has a headphone socket. About £35.
As youd guess, at that price its a basic electronic keyboard, no midi or digital output.
Hi Tom
I may be interested in one of these ..
Are you sure the keys are PA size? I cant see the size stated on Amazon etc but on the Argos webby there is a reply to the question that says theyre 1 cm!
Just went upstairs and put the dial caliper on my SA-46 - white key width is 18.5mm white key spacing inc the gap between keys, 20mm.
Tom
 

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Soulsaver post_id=52996 time=1512327645 user_id=65 said:
used with organ about as near as I could find to accordion sound.

FYI

I use an Arturia MiniLab...more narrow than PA keys, however they are shipped with Arturia Analog Lab 2 which is among the best synth libraries you can get. Basically you can tweak patches to sound like any accordion you like.
 

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TomBR post_id=52997 time=1512330232 user_id=323 said:
Soulsaver post_id=52984 time=1512299518 user_id=65 said:
TomBR post_id=52855 time=1511985877 user_id=323 said:
Fullsize for piano or accordion?The , the keys are normal PA size and you can either play it piano wise or vertically in accordion position.It has a headphone socket. About £35.
As youd guess, at that price its a basic electronic keyboard, no midi or digital output.
Hi Tom
I may be interested in one of these ..
Are you sure the keys are PA size? I cant see the size stated on Amazon etc but on the Argos webby there is a reply to the question that says theyre 1 cm!
Just went upstairs and put the dial caliper on my SA-46 - white key width is 18.5mm white key spacing inc the gap between keys, 20mm.
Tom
Thanks Tom... you cant trust anything electrical at Argos IMO... even their replies to questions, apparently.
 

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Well it arrived eventually. I took it out of the box, plugged it in to my Macbook, started Garageband and off I went playing notes with it - absolutely no setting up needed for the Macbook or Garageband to recognise it.
As for the keys, I don´t find them too bad. I little plasticy & springy perhaps, but they'll do for me. I did have to set the velocity curve to a fixed value though, as I didn´t like the velocity sensitivity.
All in all, for 46€, I'm happy with it and it should serve its intended purpose perfectly.
 

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Knobby post_id=53118 time=1512561339 user_id=54 said:
Well it arrived eventually. I took it out of the box, plugged it in to my Macbook, started Garageband and off I went playing notes with it - absolutely no setting up needed for the Macbook or Garageband to recognise it.
As for the keys, I don´t find them too bad. I little plasticy & springy perhaps, but theyll do for me. I did have to set the velocity curve to a fixed value though, as I didn´t like the velocity sensitivity.
All in all, for 46€, Im happy with it and it should serve its intended purpose perfectly.

I cant argue with the cost/value for money - its got a lot going for it as an ad hoc at home (almost)pocket substitute for PA... and I hope it stays good for you.

And its great taking up next to no space so you can work out right hand fingering for example almost instantly.. without leaving the PC/study & strapping on the Beast...

However the springy keys ARE a bit of a disappointment for me... Id planned to use that instant accessibility to run through scales while Id usually be twiddling thumbs while being kept waiting - but they dont help me cos the feel is so alien to me for practicing scales.

Im tempted to have a go with Toms suggestion.
 

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