• If you haven't done so already, please add a location to your profile. This helps when people are trying to assist you, suggest resources, etc. Thanks (Click the "X" to the top right of this message to disable it)

learning to play the accordion by ear

Status
Not open for further replies.
I look to the more experienced to put me right but:
Is this a diatonic because of -
those extra RH buttons
the use of pulling to get the smooth playing
the non-stradella LH (great tuba-y sound - helicon ?)
 
When you are old and cunning, you will be able to spot what he is doing :b

In the part you mention, he is using his thumb and first finger to 'multiple-tap' a single button and playing the rest of the music with his other fingers. Don't you just HATE people who can do that? :D
 
Postscript: Dunt is a Scottish slang word to describe a sudden jolt of the bellows to increase the volume for a very short time. In Scottish music we use it to create emphasis on certain notes and give the tune some 'lift' for the dancers.
 
WaldoW,

I would concur that he is playing a Helikon type instrument rather than a C system CBA, and I haven't heard him playing yet. The shape and bass side configuration of the instrument are the main giveaways.

Yes, it is very difficult to work out exactly what CBA players are doing, especially when they are playing fast. Try slowing the You Tube video speed down, or better still, check out a Swiss guy named Jean-Yves Sixt, who has a series of free C system CBA lessons on You Tube, albeit in the French/Swiss style. You should be able to ascertain from his lessons if it's going to work for you. Best Swiss CBA player ever was Rene Dessibourg (in my opinion).

There are other methods for CBA which do not use French system fingering, if it all looks too fingerbusting with the thumb on the side of the keyboard for too long. All I can say is if you can manage it you'll be a better player than if you range across 5 rows, as teachers like Sixt will make you use your pinky until it turns black.

The Italians from the Bologna and Parma areas of Emilia Romagna, where CBA is more popular than PA, develop a playing technique where the right hand largely remains in a position at right angles to the edge of the keyboard. In that area of Italy some of the older players also only had 4 row instruments, although the thumb was a major performer on the keyboard. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find any methods which concentrate on the system used by the Italian players from the area, and if I could that's what I would recommend any beginner on C system CBA to use.

If you want to hear what the players sound like, check out Carlo Venturi, Tiziano Ghinazzi, or Davide Salvi on You Tube.

If none of those players or their styles appeal to you I've a couple of surplus electric guitars that I may consider selling you!

Seriously, the world of CBA is vast, it's just that the instrument isn't well enough known in most of the world.

Sorry if I've not made it any easier for you, but as Rancoman says, it will all come with experience if you commit yourself to go for it.

Maybe your brain just needs a "dunt" or two to convince you. I'm Scottish too, although I am also dual British/Irish.

In the North part of County Antrim where my father's family come from, they speak an Ulster Scots dialect. They have a saying:- "Thon fella'll not break much delph", inferring that he needs a "wee dunt" for encouragement. Ulstermen and Scots share a lot of common vocabulary, and "dunt" is one such word, although as far as I know it has no accordion connotations on the west side of the Irish Sea.
 
Sorry Waldow,

Just realised you have been playing CBA for a while. Confused you with somebody else who was thinking of changing.

Beltuna certainly make fantastic accordions, and that Alpstar is one hell of an instrument, played by a great player. Thanks for posting those clips.

I'm 3 or 4 years behind you in the race for death, and I never took up the accordion until I was in my early 30s. Turned out that was too late for me, but I know there are many other late starters who go on to be good players.

I have 4 boxes, two French, one Italian, and one Chinese/Italian/German hybrid called a Hohner. In my opinion Italians make the best CBA boxes, although I prefer the button size down from the "mushrooms" you have. French button spacing is very close and takes a bit of getting used to.

Anybody who plays CBA these days is interesting, and there is a lot of info on here.

Keep playing and posting.
 
A quick trip to the Beltuna website <http://www.beltuna.com/index.php?lang=en> [Hit Collection then Alpstar then Button] will reveal its actually a CBA-C, 4 row with 3 buttons from what would be the 5th row. Its the AS IV Emotion Lupinc model, found in the Button-Chromatic section. They make a similar appearing diatonic as well, found in the Button-Diatonic section.
Although an American, my roots are in Scotland. Ive been there...got in a fight! [wasnt my fault, defending a damsel in distress]. As such, Im adopting the dunt, as I imagine it.

Press on Regardless,
Waldo
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top