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"indifference" c system fingering ideas

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This has been bugging me for years. attached photo of opening bar of this famous french musette waltz.
French players using only 4 fingers appear to be able to play this run no problem. my question how is it done without a number 1 ie thumb.
Assume quaver rest top treble left.
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Id probably chance using the inside row for the A first note with index finger, middle and ring for next 2 notes 2nd row, cross over middle and ring next 2 notes 3rd row, then middle ring triplet on rows 4 and 3, slide middle finger down from 4tj to 3rd row for last note....
Just an idea if you were thumbless
Ps i cant play this tune at all fluently... Or bodgily either for that matter.... 😉
 

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ok no thumb mandatory.
fingers 2 3 4 for first 3 notes to g.
where do u go from there the triblet is ok row 4 to 3 to 3 .ie cdc and then b.
all the French players can do it with 4 fingers.
 

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g or e minor
That's an Em7 arpeggio. It's in the key of E minor, as most people play it, although Tony Murena played it in F minor. This is the first time I feel good about playing PA...
 

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I am trying to follow his fingers.
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to me crossing from g to b is too much of a good with 4 th to 3rf
 

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I am trying to follow his fingers.
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to me crossing from g to b is too much of a fold over with 4 th to 3rd
 

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So why the d natural?
That's an excellent question. The natural accidental is placed before the D because there was a D# earlier in that measure. Please see the attached file that I cropped from my arrangement:
 

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Try slowing it. I see:
b e g b d cdc b on rows 3 2 2 3 3 1 3 1 3
2 3 4 3 4 343 2 fingers
with c on row 1
I wonder if your player was encouraged to use just 3 rows as a beginner - c on row 4 seems easier for me.
Having listened to a Mureno youtube, this is just the start of your worries.
I used to play this at a more lyrical(read unaccomplished) tempo and without the twiddles.
On a 5 row I used thumb on the b then row 5, row 3, row 4 for the triplet c
 

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yes I slowed it and concur as above.
I think technically i am strugling as i suspected. that fold for me from g to b ie 4 folding over to 3 (2 rows down in wffect)is difficult at speed. I think this is perhaps an example of the benefits of study with a 4 fingure system with thumb as a physical suport. tucking the thumb under for the first notes ie 2 1 for first two notes is working for me but not optimal as the performers fingering looks class.
technically thay guy is top class. "hands of silk:
 

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That's an Em7 arpeggio. It's in the key of E minor, as most people play it, although Tony Murena played it in F minor. This is the first time I feel good about playing PA...
Yes, but how would you play it without using your thumb as in the original post?
 
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