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Jim S

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Hi - my name's Jim and I'm very happy to have found this website, full of interesting advice and people. I've played for over 50 years, since I was 11, and been in various ceilidh bands over the years, as well as playing quite a lot of French musette music. However, my wife really doesn't like the noise of the box (even though she is French) and so my much-loved Paolo Soprani musette accordion has only been sparingly used in the last ten years or so. However, I very recently bought a second hand Roland Fr1x which has reignited my love of playing, largely due to being able to wear headphones so not disturb Bake Off etc of an evening. With more frequent practice, I'm getting back to a passable standard and have even ventured out to a couple of open mic evenings, which I have enjoyed.

As well as introducing myself, I do have one pressing issue to ask about, which concerns the positioning of the accordion as I play. The much more frequent playing in the last month has quickly reminded me of the aches I used to have with my right wrist, especially if I'd played all evening for a dance, and I quickly realised (perhaps because I was swapping over to a much smaller instrument) that I was wearing the accordion far too much to the right, with the bellows central to my body rather than the piano keyboard. I have adjusted the straps and now it sits as several people have advised.

However, the general advice still seems to be for the right wrist to be as straight as possible with the forearm. I can achieve this for a little while, but my elbow sticks out and it just doesn't feel natural enough, and soon my elbow creeps back towards my body. My former position, with the accordion much more on the right and my elbow tucked in was clearly very poor, but is there a suitable compromise others can suggest, as I don't want to risk developing carpal tunnel symptoms etc? I must add that yes, it must seem a strange question after playing for so long, but I honestly didn't give it any thought until a few days ago.
 
Welcome Jim!🙂
As they say, you pays your money and takes your choice !😀
The kosher arrangement is for the treble box to pretty well sit on top of your upper left thigh so your right hand. wrist and forearm form a straight line.
Unfortunately, this, then, will require you to support the bass side with your left arm and hand, as the bass box and bellows will now pretty much be hanging off (in space) to the left of the left thigh, in many cases, resulting in eventual serious discomfort to the left arm and shoulder.
AFAIK, everyone eventually decides how much orthodoxy they can personally take and compromises accordionly(😄) 🤔🙂
I make no claim to playing virtuosity whatever and have found it necessary (if I'm to keep playing) to support the bass box on my left thigh and to keep my elbows close to my ribs
I'm not booking the Carnegie (or Albert) Hall in the near future 😄
 
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I can achieve this for a little while, but my elbow sticks out and it just doesn't feel natural enough, and soon my elbow creeps back towards my body. My former position, with the accordion much more on the right and my elbow tucked in was clearly very poor, but is there a suitable compromise others can suggest, as I don't want to risk developing carpal tunnel symptoms etc?
The reason that the elbow creeps back down is due to a fatigued shoulder muscle more than anything else. Like any muscle it has to be developed and strengthened over time. I clearly remember the aches and pains that even as a kid I had but I also recall that as a regular habit I learned to exaggerate that position during practice sessions to force the muscle to work harder and longer (just raising that elbow 1-2 inches higher), and then when I took the proper position, over time, it became easy and a habit to hold that elbow (without a time limit), at a position that permitted me to have zero strain on the wrist and permitting me to play easier and faster over when I had a bad posture. Today, even at 63 years old, I don't even think about it and my elbow just goes where it is supposed to go for best effect. No wrist or elbow issues.
 
Welcome Jim!
My understanding is that the hinged ends of the piano keys should be in line with your centre - lined up with your nose when you're looking straight ahead!
 
Thank you all so much for your very helpful replies. I am certainly a lot more aware of positioning now than ever before and yes, the fingering flows much better when I adopt the teapot mode, as Javthedog pointed out. Jerry's point too about consciously holding the position and building up the muscle is also highly pertinent, and that is exactly what I'll strive to do as although it initially feels strange, it does make complete sense. Thanks again.
 
Many thanks for the North Staffs accordion club link, and I hope to make a club night visit soon. Mr Tumble, however, might be, as accordionists say, a squeeze too far. Thanks again, as the tea pot position seems to be working for me.
 
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