ACHTUNG C-GRIFF!!!!! (spotted on ebay)
#1
Just spotted this on ebay from a Dutch supplier I monitor:

Hohner LMMH Accordina WITH ARTIESTE GOLD VOICES ! B-griff #607

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hohner-LMMH-A...SwGKJdF4Oa

Currently at £28 + postage with almost 3 days to go.

However if you scroll down to the bottom on the description section it has

           ACHTUNG C-GRIFF!!!!

Is it possible to tell B from C visually ?
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#2
Yes.... Its a C system..
Right or wrong make it strong...when in doubt miss it out...
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#3
(04-07-2019, 09:26 PM)Glug Wrote: Is it possible to tell B from C visually ?

I do think that the C griff has 3 white keys together on row 3 and the B griff has them together on row 1
Cordially, Tony
Artisto, Italian, LMM, 41/120, PA
Warning: Only speaks/understands American English
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#4
Cheers,
I was guessing the button colours would give it away.

Unfortunately it's allegedly 12.5Kg which sounds a bit heavy to me.
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#5
12.5 kg in the obsolete US measurement system is just over 27.5 pounds. That’s way to heavy for my 72 year old body.  My 20 pound (9kg) Artisto is also getting a bit heavy and am, unsuccessfully, looking for a lighter LMM machine.
Cordially, Tony
Artisto, Italian, LMM, 41/120, PA
Warning: Only speaks/understands American English
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#6
Yet another Hohner not in the popular list of models... and of course the name "accordina" is a bit misleading as it is an accordion and not an accordina...

To see the differences between systems you first look at the direction of the diagonals of the black buttons. The depicted diagonals correspond to C system.
But then you still need to check for the numbers of white versus black buttons on a row. The first row 2+2 and third 3+1 means it is C system, and if the first row is 3+1 (with the same diagonal direction) then it is Finnish system.
If the diagonal is the other way around and the first row is 3+1 and the third 2+2 then it is B system. With these diagonals but 2+2 on the first row it is a "Do 2", common in Belgium. I know... it's all confusing!

The name appears to be Accordina VI S, which is also strange because the register switches suggest it is from the same era as the D and M series.
When you look at the pictures of the reeds you see that the reed plates are some kind of brass (not aluminium) so that indeed indicates these are "Hohner" reeds (as opposed to Bugari reeds used in accordions of similar models but just a tad newer). The visible reed valves on the outside are clearly not the original ones. (They are OK for a non-cassotto instrument, but not recommended for cassotto because they so not like gravity.)
Paul De Bra (not Debra...)
http://www.de-bra.nl
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#7
Thanks for that,
should make identifying CBAs a bit easier.

Here's the only other one I've found: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/113778359764 which says 12.5Kg.
I'm guessing it's a different one because of the price and date.
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#8
(05-07-2019, 11:12 AM)Glug Wrote: Thanks for that,
should make identifying CBAs a bit easier.

Here's the only other one I've found: https://www.ebay.fr/itm/113778359764 which says 12.5Kg.
I'm guessing it's a different one because of the price and date.

Sure enough you found a system still missing from my list: the flat C-system or Swiss system. Same layout as C system but the keys tops are in the same plane, not stepped like you see elsewhere. There is also a flat B system variant, with 6 rows of buttons: the Balkan system.
Paul De Bra (not Debra...)
http://www.de-bra.nl
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