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Hi all,

I'm looking for a HOHNER LUCIA CBA or similar small light accordion.
I got my Hohner Amati (three-row CBA) from a Swiss auction site - try <URL url="http://www.ricardo.ch">http://www.ricardo.ch</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What a nice little accordion
Is it one or two reeds
<QUOTE author="Russ"><s>
Russ Wrote:What a nice little accordion - Is it one or two reeds?
HOHNER LUCIA is 2 reeds, 37 treble buttons, 48 bass (4x12).
Size = 270mm x 150mm x 290mm.
Weight = 4 kgs.
Made in the 1930's.

And yes, it's a nice little accordion, but almost impossible to find.
<QUOTE author="Anyanka"><s>
Anyanka Wrote:I got my Hohner Amati (three-row CBA) from a Swiss auction site - try <URL url="http://www.ricardo.ch">http://www.ricardo.ch</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks Anyanka, yes I still remember when you bought your AMATI. In fact I have an account at ricardo.ch and am checking weekly.

But I think the LUCIA (with 37 treble buttons) is smaller and lighter than the AMATI, although I have no size and weight info for the AMATI. With 34 treble buttons the are several options, new ones also but most are with 60 bass.

Then there is also the HOHNER CONCERTO 342K also with 34 treble buttons 3 row and with 40 bass (5x8) and only 4,5 kgs. And then the HOHNER PICCOLO 5 row 62 treble (37 notes) 60 bass but weight is 6 kgs.

Size and weight are important to me. To travel with ease, other options are also the LOFFET PETIT CHROMA or the PIGINI SIMBA (only 20 treble and single voice). And Frans van der Aa is now making a 3 row 34 treble buttons 18 bass CBA 2 voice only 3,5 kgs and size 260 mm x 155 mm. None of these are cheap. Wink
I have a Pigini Peter Pan which I have found is a perfect size for travel, but it is only a single reed, although it does have the converter which I require.
Still interested.
Am I right in thinking that the right hand rows run from counter bass to minor chords (unless changed)?
<QUOTE author="Orma"><s>
Orma Wrote:Am I right in thinking that the right hand rows run from counter bass to minor chords (unless changed)?
So do I think, but never actually saw one, so can't confirm.
<QUOTE author="Corinto"><s>
Corinto Wrote:<QUOTE author="Orma"><s>
Orma Wrote:Am I right in thinking that the right hand rows run from counter bass to minor chords (unless changed)?
So do I think, but never actually saw one, so can't confirm.


I think I'd rather loose the counterbass row and have it run down to 7th's instead.
In a 3x3 stradella bass there have been variations over the years but with today's accordions you will find in 95% of the time just two basic variations in German and Italian makes. Both variations have three rows of bass buttons and three rows of chord buttons. There are many different names for these variations and differ with their country of origin so for simplicity I will call them A and B.
In the "A" version (most popular) The C row of bass buttons will (from the bellows) have the notes Eb - E - and C - the chords will be Major - Minor - 7th. In The "B" version the C row will (from the bellows) have the notes Ab - E and C - the chords will be Major - Minor - 7th.
Now there are some oddball variations found in some older models but basically an A or B version with the 7th chords sounding 3 notes without the 5th - and some with 7th chords sounding 3 notes without the root. :tup:
Now you've got me curious. How did 3/3 stradella come up - any of the accordions in this thread have that potential? I'd have thought never to see it in anything but 120 bass, though I guess it could be done in 96 (6x16) or 72 (6x12.)

Also from the above I get the idea that some Hohner or Weltmeister models may have been seen with 3/3 stradella?
I've seemed to have posted this 3x3 answer in the wrong thread. I was trying to answer the question in the thread - Jumpy fingering - where the question of What is a 3x3 bass layout was posed. :o
I noticed that too... lol
Ah, I'd have missed out on the whole thing if your post hadn't gone astray. The way conversation drifts, I suppose one thread is as good as another.

My Fratelli Crosio is what you call "B" configuration. Looks weird on paper, but laid out on its actual diagonal arrangement, it's obvious how that Ab got there, and why - the Eb is actually closer at hand when it's in the next row, due to diagonal displacement.
<QUOTE author="JIM D."><s>
JIM D. Wrote:In a 3x3 stradella bass there have been variations over the years but with today's accordions you will find in 95% of the time just two basic variations in German and Italian makes. Both variations have three rows of bass buttons and three rows of chord buttons. There are many different names for these variations and differ with their country of origin so for simplicity I will call them A and B.
In the "A" version (most popular) The C row of bass buttons will (from the bellows) have the notes Eb - E - and C - the chords will be Major - Minor - 7th. In The "B" version the C row will (from the bellows) have the notes Ab - E and C - the chords will be Major - Minor - 7th.
Now there are some oddball variations found in some older models but basically an A or B version with the 7th chords sounding 3 notes without the 5th - and some with 7th chords sounding 3 notes without the root. :tup:
Interesting. I have never seen the "B" version. I used to have a Crucianelli with the A version. It's actually a very useful setup.
As for the 7th chords: they should all have 3 notes without the root (base note). So C7 should have the notes E, G and Bes. The reason is that C7 can then double up as G-diminished. When the 7th chord is just missing the 5th, C7 being C, E, Bes, then there is no way to make a diminished chord. Likewise if the 7th chord has all 4 notes there is no way to make a diminished chord. (But if the 7th chord has all 4 notes it can easily be modified to take out the root.)
Hi,

Still looking for a HOHNER LUCIA CBA or similar small button accordion 37 buttons treble 48 (12x4) bass.
HOHNER CORNELIA or HOHNER PIROL may also fit in.
Where are you currently located and where are all the places you are currently looking?
<QUOTE author="JerryPH"><s>
JerryPH Wrote:Where are you currently located?
Somehow I am a little bit reluctant to say in a public forum where we are. As a rule of thumb we spend summer in Brazil and then summer in Europe, but family, and more specifically grandchildren, bend this rule more often than not.

<QUOTE author="JerryPH"><s>
JerryPH Wrote:Where are all the places you are currently looking?
- <URL url="http://accordionists.co.uk/">http://accordionists.co.uk/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php">http://forum.melodeon.net/index.php</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://buttonbox.org.uk/">http://buttonbox.org.uk/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.ebay.de/">http://www.ebay.de/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/">http://www.ebay.co.uk/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.ebay.com/">http://www.ebay.com/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="https://www.ricardo.ch/">https://www.ricardo.ch/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.leboncoin.fr/">http://www.leboncoin.fr/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.2dehands.be/">http://www.2dehands.be/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.marktplaats.nl/">http://www.marktplaats.nl/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="https://www.gumtree.com/">https://www.gumtree.com/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.milanuncios.com/">http://www.milanuncios.com/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- <URL url="http://www.vibbo.com/">http://www.vibbo.com/</URL>" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
- other similar sites
- online accordion sellers who sell secondhand accordions

And now JerryPH, do you actually have, or know of someone who may have a HOHNER LUCIA CBA for sale?
<QUOTE author="Corinto"><s>
Corinto Wrote:And now JerryPH, do you actually have, or know of someone who may have a HOHNER LUCIA CBA for sale?
No I do not, because before starting to seriously look for one with you, I wanted to ask where you were looking. If we were looking in the same places (and for the most parts, in all honesty, you and I were looking in pretty much the same places during my preliminary searches), I was not going to spend a lot of time searching with you.

I can tell you that I found nothing doing searches in all of the individual Canadian provinces at eBay.ca, kijiji.ca and a few other similar sites as well as me taking the time to call 4 local musical instrument dealers who sell used accordions here in Montreal.

I respect you not wanting to share where you are located in a public forum, but I have no such fears, though I am sure you have your reasons. Knowing where you are located also aids in knowing where one would normally search (for example, people in Brazil won't normally look in Manitoba, Canada), which is why I was asking. Smile
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